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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein so instead of coming right to

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the microphone upon returning from the

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mile-high conference Chris O'Brien

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decided that he ought to get a chest

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cold instead now I got him I guess he

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got himself will run down and he's been

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able to get these colds lately in the

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last year or two since quitting smoking

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so I don't know if that's

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counterproductive or not but he's a

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little bit under the weather and we'll

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be back next week when our friend Nick

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Redfern will be here to talk about the

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shape shifters so we'll deal with that

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next week this week we'll deal with a

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lot of other subjects and not much about

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UFOs except for this our guest co-host

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is Paul Kimball back again because we

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like him and our guest is dr. Scott

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kaabah and he's an internist a real

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medical doctor and he's responsible for

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bringing up a book to us called

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physicians untold stories miraculous

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experiences doctors are hesitant to

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share with their patients or anyone

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it's about miracles the doctors have

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reported him and 26 other physicians we

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get to that in a moment

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okay Paul we got this story in

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Huffington Post from Leslie King and

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it's about Tom DeLonge someone we don't

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take very seriously but now he's got

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this latest disclosure gig in some kind

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of press conference and it turned out to

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be a lot less than we expected what did

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you hear about it nothing more than what

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you read on The Huffington Post honestly

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as I as I tell folks last week

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UFOs aren't no pun intended really on my

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radar screen these days it's making

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films about other things I kind of keep

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track of it and so I read it and I

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thought huh well this sounds familiar

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and it sounds what today I think what

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did I put on face book I said it's the

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well slides with tech you know attached

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so it's almost like the Aztec case will

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develop this really cool tech with the

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Roswell slides which is you know this is

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at some point in another bogus now it's

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Tom DeLonge sincere he probably is

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I remember once about ten years ago

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being at a conference in the US and I

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think was Robbie Williams the British

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pop star big thing it was the

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International UFO symposium and Nick

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Pope was there and Robbie Williams was

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flying in and his private jet or

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something and he was fascinated by UFOs

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dan Aykroyd same kind of thing there are

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celebrities there are people in all

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walks of life that are interested in

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UFOs celebrities if they like Tom

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DeLonge even if they're sort of B or C

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list celebrities sometimes have the

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resources and the connections to maybe

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push it further in the public realm then

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somebody like me could so what the end

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of the day their entire thing seems to

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be basically their crowdfunding as far

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as I can tell to try and start something

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up that is going to create these new

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technologies or whatever and I seem to

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vaguely remember Steven Greer making

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that same pitch ten or twelve years ago

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and I sort of remember Roger Leir making

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the same kind of pitch to and in his

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case he wanted to make a film of aliens

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and all this sort of stuff he was

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looking for money to do it it's

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craziness these things come and go this

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one people seem to be taking a bit more

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seriously only because there's a

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celebrity attached and we live in a

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celebrity obsessed culture unfortunately

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especially you folks south of the border

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but we're not free of guilt up here in

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Canada either and so you put Tom

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DeLong's name on it and a lot of the

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same people that you see show up over

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the years in a lot of these kinds of

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things dealing with quote quote

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disclosure and then you put Leslie Keens

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name on the byline because people seem

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to think that she's credible I do not

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but I suppose on the sliding scale of

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ufology she's more credible than I don't

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know rich Dolan or Steven Greer or

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whoever but it's a sliding scale that's

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main people in the mainstream aren't

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going to care about this honestly it's

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gonna come and go pretty quick because

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the attention span

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these days I think of people who have

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heard this kind of thing before is

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pretty short the long factor might give

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it some legs but my interest has already

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passed most of the people out say at my

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facebook Pete who I know are interested

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in UFOs they seem to have already kind

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of laughed at it and they're moving on

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so you know that's kind of my take on it

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and the other thing I would say Jean is

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there's nothing to disclose which I know

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will anger some of your forum users but

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that's my point of view there is

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literally nothing to disclose if there

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was we would have heard about it by now

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now that doesn't mean there aren't UFOs

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that doesn't even mean there aren't

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space aliens visiting planet Earth there

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have visited planet Earth I don't know I

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know and I mean I'm just saying I know

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I'm convinced beyond any reasonable

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doubt that if whatever they represent

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there isn't a secret Raiders of the Lost

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Ark kind of vault where the government's

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been hiding that information for 70 or

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75 years and we're not reverse

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engineering technology and all that sort

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of stuff so everything that the

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disclosure movement talks about I just

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think is bogus and in fact takes us away

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from a much more interesting

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conversation of which I think UFOs could

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be part of so could ghosts and all sorts

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of these paranormal things that we're

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gonna including talking to Scott about

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about things like near-death experiences

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and possibly what might be out there and

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how that all works or even miracles

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however you want to call it all of these

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things you know we might be dealing with

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something that's all tied together in a

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much more interesting and fascinating

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way than space aliens in the 1950s

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flying saucer puttering their way here

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from Proxima Centauri which I don't

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think is the case so that's my take and

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your form users are well familiar with

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that by now

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feel free to have at it Thanks there you

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go you see I'm accused so often of

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keeping my head in the 1950s and my

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point has always been is that in the UFO

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field we haven't left the 1950s we're

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hearing the same arguments and now it's

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Proxima Centuri or Zeta Reticuli as

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opposed to Mars or Venus but very little

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is change and that is the argument very

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little progress has been made and the

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Tom DeLonge thing is just another one of

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these representations of we're gonna

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disclose something and it never ever

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seems to happen it's the promise

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repeated every year and the boy has

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cried wolf just too many times and who's

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gonna believe it they've been crying

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wolf since the 1950s you see my head's

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back in the 1950s again but I don't want

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to be unfair to our guest dr. Scott call

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Bob Scott have you any interest in UFOs

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deal of interest thanks G thank God just

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kidding I think there's probably

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something else I think that's probably

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imagine that there isn't some life out

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there somewhere with billions and

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billions of stars but I'm not that into

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into UFOs so sorry

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well then we're not going to talk about

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it except for one thing I'm gonna

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mention and because we're gonna mention

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one of the cases at least one of the

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cases here would be like a near-death

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experience and that is one of our

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friends red pill junky his real name's

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Miguel who's a researcher and blogger

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wrote an article for my newsletter eNOS

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talked about this in other places about

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a resemblance between near-death

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experiences and UFO abduction cases hmm

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so that's interesting it doesn't mean

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that near-death experiences mean we've

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met et it means that people claiming

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abductions have definitely not met et

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but let me ask you here this book that

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you presented physicians untold stories

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what gave you the idea to put all this

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in a book I think there were two words

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that that describe why I did this and

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Jean with all the work that it took me

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to write this the two words our

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temporary insanity when I've got a busy

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job I've got seven kids to take care of

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would be temporary insanity I started

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very simple and they dragged out to

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about four years and you know there

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there is something about these stories

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that I really just had to tell because

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these are such moving and emotional

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stories

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that I I really I almost had to write

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this this book and what got me one of

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the things that got me going I listened

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docks don't these are ordinary docks

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that I've in the book and docks don't

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spiritual and and near-death experiences

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very much at all so I suppose it takes

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one doc to know what to say to another

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doc this is getting very fascinating and

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listeners we have lots of case histories

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to bring to you throughout this episode

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let's break it here and then we'll

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continue with dr. Scott Kaba our guest

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co-host is Paul Kimble I'm Jean

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Steinberg you're in the para cast we

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also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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in multiple sizes and colors we even

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have stuff for children stuff for

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of sizes like small up 2x large a lot

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he's gonna be sending up in the next

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our medical doctor an internist and he

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is responsible for putting together this

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book called physicians untold stories

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and scott before we broke you were

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telling us here that you're talking to

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other doctors about things they don't

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generally share have that come about I'm

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not sure why a couple doctors approached

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me I've been in practice a long time

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I've never heard any unusual stories up

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until just before I started to get

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interested in writing this book at that

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time two doctors came to me with these

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really really unusual stories I'll tell

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you one real quick it's Steve Haim as

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the orthopedic surgeon it's a back

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surgeon and we're having breakfast and

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toward the end of the breakfast he said

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you know I just have to tell you the

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story I don't know why but I I this last

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weekend I was skiing in Colorado with my

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wife and my wife's sister and he's an

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expert skier he does these triple black

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diamond runs all the time and and he's

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an expert skier as is his wife I do not

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ski and I have no idea what you just

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said okay those are the the runs where

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you look down and you say I'm gonna die

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if I take this rock okay though so that

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that's the kind of run he's on this is

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an unfamiliar mountain to him he got to

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the top of the mountain they were ready

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to start skiing down in the blizzard hit

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so the wind started to come up the

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temperature dropped about 40 degrees the

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snow is coming down sideways and upside

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down and all over the place they could

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hardly see anything in front of them but

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they had to ski down the mountain so

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there's they start skiing down the

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mountain they come to about halfway down

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they come to a grove of trees pine trees

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and they had to go to the right of the

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left dr. Heim went to the right the

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girls happened to go to the left dr.

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Heim thought they were all going the

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same direction and as soon as he

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realized that he decided to ski back

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through this girl with trees to get back

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to where the girls were well all of a

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sudden while he's skiing through this

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grove of trees he has this really

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unusual feeling in his chest like

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there's something dreadfully wrong here

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and and he couldn't he couldn't

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understand what was wrong and all of a

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sudden everything became very quiet

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despite the snow coming down the wind

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blowing he could hear his breath he

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could hear the snow under his skis and

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he felt like he had to do something that

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had life-and-death proportions and he

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wasn't sure what it was so he stopped

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skiing now he knows the girls are

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waiting for him on the other side of the

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grove of trees and he can't see them but

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he stopped skiing he sunk down in five

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feet of powder snow and he's standing

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there wondering what the heck he's doing

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he took off his skis and then he has

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this crazy idea that he has to walk up

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the mountain in the opposite direction

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from where the girls are waiting so he's

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walking and climbing and walking up the

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mountain has no idea what he what he's

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doing

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but he still has this feeling of dread

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in

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chest and then the still this this eerie

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silence that that he can't get over he

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can hear the crunch of the snow under

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his boots and it's just really really

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quiet despite the snow coming down the

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wind blowing and he comes to a big pine

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tree in his path and there's a thing

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called the tree well which is where the

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snow comes down to the base of the tree

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and that goes up to the five feet of

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snow and he's standing in front of this

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tree wondering what the heck he's doing

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and he looks down into this tree well

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and he suddenly realizes why why he's

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there there's a shape of a body under

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the tree covered with snow now he's a

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trauma surgeon so what better person to

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happen to across the body and in the

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middle of the woods than a trauma

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surgeon so he brushes off his his face

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he looks like he's dead he's got a grey

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face doesn't look like he's breathing

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but it's a good trauma surgeon it goes

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farther than that he reached down to the

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his neck and felt his carotid artery to

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see if he had a pulse and sure not

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feeling real a thready pulse but it was

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a pulse

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he knew he was shocky hypothermic you

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know almost a death star so he went into

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trauma mode he brushed all the snow off

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he knew exactly what to do are they yell

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for help

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help help one of the last skiers that

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was down coming down the mountain heard

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his cry came to the side and he said

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what can I do and Steve said go to the

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nearest phone or as soon as you can get

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to the ski patrol get him up here this

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guy is almost dead so the guy took off

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and he was ski ski down and about 20

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minutes later he could see the light

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from a snowmobile pulling a gurney that

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came up to his side loaded this

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unconscious skier onto the gurney and

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took him back down to the lodge when

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ambulance was waiting and took him off

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to the hospital by this point Steve was

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shivering and cold and an adrenaline

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because he taken off both of his jackets

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to cover this guy and keep him warm put

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his jackets back on got back to where

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the girls were still waiting for him on

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the other side of that grove of trees

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and skied down the mountain to the lodge

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there he got his his special reward a

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cup of hot chocolate the next day he

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called up the hospital and find out to

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find out what had happened to this poor

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unconscious skier the skier was the wake

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he was alive the orthopedic surgeons

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that were taking care of him at the time

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we're complimenting him on the great job

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he did splinting his leg in the field

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because he had a broken leg and Steve

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took a tree branch and some of his

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clothing and splinted his leg so he was

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he was fine and he was going to live

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there

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no serious problem at all and so Steve

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said to me this was more than just a

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coincidence that had to be some kind of

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divine intervention somebody upstairs

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was looking out for this guy and then he

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said to me something that was very

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interesting

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two people were saved that day I said

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what do you mean two people were saved

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that day he said well the skier was

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saved but I was saved too and I said

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what do you mean I don't understand what

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you mean and he said about two years ago

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I was skiing with my father and my

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father was in Michigan and there was a

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thought I've never heard a story like

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patients that are in pretty much every

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they may have some merit to writing

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these down but I need to know and make

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could be totally worthless so we had

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lunch and I was telling him the stories

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that was eating and that wasn't paying

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moving stories you have to publish this

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hi this is Bryce label I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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we continue with our guest co-hosts Paul

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Kimble I'm gene Steinberg dr. Scott call

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baba is with us and we're talking about

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how they got the idea to put together

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this book called physicians untold

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stories and how a prospective publisher

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was just really excited and really

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emotionally impacted by the nature of

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these stories but what I'm adjusted here

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is the timing I mean you've been in

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practice for a few years how suddenly

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does all this come together have you in

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the past ever been exposed to anything

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like this no no I you know I go to

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church and I believe that there's

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something higher than us and so forth

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but but I had never been exposed to

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anything like this and they have a

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couple Doc's just show up and tell me

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these amazing stories was just beyond

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what I could I could imagine and then

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what I decided to do was to see if there

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are other doctors who had stories like

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this too because I don't know I really

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didn't know and I've been with doctors

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for 30 years and I'm a doctor to many

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doctors and doctors take care of me and

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family and so forth and we talk but we

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never talk about these kinds of

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spiritual or emotional or near-death

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experiences at all

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talk about surgeries and potassium

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levels and who died and who's sick and

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so forth but nothing like this so I hung

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out the doctors lounge

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off and on for for quite a while and I'd

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ask doctors I would say I'm writing a

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book so I committed myself so that I

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would be embarrassed if I didn't carry

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on with writing the book and I said I'm

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looking for stories about things that

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you can't explain scientifically and I

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was literally blown away by the number

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of doctors that had these incredible

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experiences I interviewed probably 1,200

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doctors over the over the time and I

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called doctors up that I knew from my

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residency program and other other places

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and so I dinner I talked to lots and

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lots of doctors and there were a large

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number of stories large number of

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doctors had had these stories well that

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what I do

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gene is I would talk with a doctor get

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the story down quickly because most

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doctors are pretty busy in the morning

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for example going to their rounds and so

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forth and then I would call the doctor

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up at night and then get the details so

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we

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back and forth that half a dozen or more

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times to get the story straight when I

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heard a story that gave me goosebumps or

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made me cry out of emotion those are the

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stories I used for the book the other

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ones weren't good enough and there were

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lots of those kinds of stories and I'm

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collecting even more now and I was

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totally surprised and what also

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surprised me was that the doctors would

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let me publish these stories because

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they don't tell these stories to anyone

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because they're embarrassed that someone

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will think they're crazy

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you see that's interesting I'm looking

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at the back of the book and all these

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doctors have their names there I noticed

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one was a military doctor and we're

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looking here at really prestigious

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people pillars of their community

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revealing these things would you say

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that most of the doctors you talk to

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have at least one experience that just

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boggles the mind a lot of doctors have

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experiences than the more grey hairs

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they had the more experiences they had

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so not every doctor would would have an

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experience like this and I'm sure not

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every doctor would wanted to tell me

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their experience but a lot of doctors

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did I kept on wondering these are very

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successful doctors they have a great

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practice there are ordinary people there

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people that you and I would go to for

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whatever we have and I do go to some of

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these doctors for various orthopedic

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things and whatever and I kept thinking

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to myself why would these doctors want

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to tell me these unusual really strange

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stories in many cases that could get

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them in trouble and the trouble they

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could get into would be patients would

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think that they're a little bit

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different and not go to them anymore and

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they knew that too and so I I asked the

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number of doctors why do you want me to

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totally tell these stories to me but

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help me publish them for the whole world

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and I think the bottom line and the

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reason that they did that is because and

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that's another thing I learned about

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00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:24,520
doctors there's a whole host of things I

814
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,140
learned about doctors but this one thing

815
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,960
is that most doctors I think are sappy

816
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:30,640
do-gooders I call them that met in the

817
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:33,010
book they want to do good every day they

818
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:34,570
want to help someone they want to cure

819
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:36,370
cancer they want to make sure that they

820
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:38,230
do the best they can with every single

821
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:39,670
patient that they take care of and help

822
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:42,190
them in some way and so I think their

823
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:44,290
rationale was that these stories would

824
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:46,780
help people that were in trouble that

825
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:48,310
had lost a loved one that

826
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:50,170
serious illness or that just were

827
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:52,120
struggling with their lives realized

828
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:54,280
there's something else out there that

829
00:31:58,290 --> 00:31:56,860
looks out for us and you can call it

830
00:32:00,180 --> 00:31:58,300
what you want most of the doctors call

831
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:00,190
it God's I'm called universe whatever

832
00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:01,690
you want to call it there's some force

833
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:03,940
that's higher than us it looks out for

834
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:05,590
us and helps us in our day-to-day lives

835
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:07,780
and that there's a place where people go

836
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:09,390
when they when they leave the earth and

837
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:12,970
this can be very reassuring and give

838
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:14,530
people hope and I think that's what the

839
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:16,210
doctors want they want to give people

840
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,270
hope that there's something else that

841
00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:21,760
when they're in serious trouble they've

842
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:23,400
got a friend that's higher than us

843
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:26,800
speaking as a scientist a medical

844
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:28,120
professional

845
00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:31,180
are there any conventional explanations

846
00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:32,800
for any of these things that you know

847
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:35,320
about well sure there are I think there

848
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:37,240
are some stories that could have some

849
00:32:42,540 --> 00:32:40,210
some conventional explanations many

850
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:42,550
stories not the one like Steve haim

851
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:44,860
story for example I don't know why he

852
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,300
would ever have climbed that mountain

853
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:49,120
and and found that skier but there are

854
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:51,010
some stories in the book that are that

855
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:53,470
that could be the stretch of a

856
00:33:00,840 --> 00:32:56,920
coincidence but really most of them are

857
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:00,850
pretty unusual and have no logical

858
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:03,130
explanation that that I can come up with

859
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:07,060
or Scott a couple of questions popped to

860
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:09,400
mind immediately couple of them I think

861
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:12,070
are pretty short of all the doctors that

862
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,170
you talk to and you talk about yourself

863
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:15,760
being a person of faith you go to church

864
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:19,110
and everything yeah how many of them

865
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:21,430
were how many we're talking from a

866
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:23,050
Christian point of view how many were

867
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:24,310
talking for him to say a Jewish point of

868
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:26,140
view of Buddhists a Muslim even maybe an

869
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:29,410
agnostic so was there a particular set

870
00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:31,240
within religious traditions or faith

871
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:33,400
traditions that seemed to predominate or

872
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,620
was this something that you noticed was

873
00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:38,080
applicable to all elements of the sort

874
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:39,340
of faith spectrum if you will

875
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:42,220
interesting question about half the

876
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:45,430
doctors I talked to had a pretty solid

877
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:47,710
belief most of them were Christian and

878
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,050
not all of them but about half the

879
00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:52,480
doctors didn't have a religion didn't go

880
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:55,660
to church and and couldn't say that they

881
00:34:00,690 --> 00:33:57,670
belong to a Methodist or Catholic or

882
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:00,700
Jewish or whatever and what I found

883
00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:01,250
though

884
00:34:04,780 --> 00:34:03,740
is that most doctors that I talk with

885
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:04,790
especially the ones that had these

886
00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:07,730
stories were were profoundly spiritual

887
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:09,590
they knew that there was something else

888
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:11,800
out there and these stories I think

889
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:15,860
helped solidify that faith but they

890
00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:17,090
didn't they didn't practice a faith

891
00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:19,399
necessarily and they didn't go to church

892
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:21,800
and they didn't talk about it there's

893
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:23,990
one doctor that that I thought was the

894
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:26,540
crusty astac there I know that was kind

895
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:29,300
of rough and gruff and and I won't

896
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,730
mention who it is but he was one of the

897
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:33,919
most spiritual of all the doctors and

898
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:37,190
really had a strong faith and strong

899
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:39,800
caring for the people they took care of

900
00:34:46,330 --> 00:34:42,470
and he was also one that did so many

901
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:46,340
incredible things that that help the

902
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:48,230
community and help the children and

903
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:50,780
helped others in so many incredible ways

904
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:54,050
so it was the whole spectrum kept fall

905
00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:56,270
it wasn't it wasn't just all the

906
00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:57,950
religious doctors that came to me with

907
00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:01,820
these stories many very well you would

908
00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:04,100
consider unreligious doctors that didn't

909
00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:05,600
have a didn't even have a religion

910
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:06,500
couldn't even say that they were

911
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:08,270
Catholic or Methodist or whatever

912
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:11,930
sure and I'm just as interested in the

913
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:13,430
other side of the equation which would

914
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:15,320
be the patients or the people who were

915
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:19,070
you know involved in these stories so

916
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:20,660
when your book for instance you talk

917
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:23,690
about unconditional love and how prayer

918
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:27,530
can have a real impact on folks and

919
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:28,850
faith and that sort of stuff

920
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:31,700
and I'm just curious do you think that

921
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:34,280
that is would you ascribe that to being

922
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:36,620
particular eyes as many people in all

923
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:38,090
faiths I'm certainly not going to pick

924
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:40,280
on any faith but all of them have

925
00:35:44,050 --> 00:35:41,930
elements within them that say well ours

926
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:44,060
is the best and the rest there's you

927
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:46,010
know you're going somewhere else or do

928
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:47,720
you think it is almost a universal

929
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:50,420
concept in your experience when you talk

930
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,210
to these folks and stuff that could

931
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:55,040
apply to anyone so you don't necessarily

932
00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:56,990
have to be a Christian or Jew or Muslim

933
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:00,370
or even a believer if you if you sort of

934
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:03,140
maybe give yourself over or open

935
00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:04,850
yourself up in your moment of need that

936
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:06,920
was my experience my experience was that

937
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:09,050
you don't have to be any particular

938
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:11,900
religion or in any religion to have some

939
00:36:14,579 --> 00:36:13,340
of these things happen to you so that

940
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:14,589
people that prayed

941
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that were in desperate circumstances for

942
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:19,390
example may not have a religion but

943
00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:21,160
their their prayer was still answered or

944
00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:24,519
that they still got some some divine

945
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:26,680
intervention in their lives even though

946
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they weren't very religious this is just

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getting more fascinating it really is

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dr. Scott Kaba Jean Steinberg Paul

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[Music]

1052
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that is really interesting when you talk

1053
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:25,910
about that Scot that there's no

1054
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:28,290
correlation between anyone's religion

1055
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:31,050
it's how they behave and live their

1056
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:33,240
lives it doesn't matter what religion

1057
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:35,730
you have and I think that argues more

1058
00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:37,830
for being a good person than following

1059
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:39,600
any particular religion don't you think

1060
00:41:43,220 --> 00:41:41,430
I'm not sure what it is Jane to be

1061
00:41:44,660 --> 00:41:43,230
honest with you I most of these Doc's

1062
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were we're really good people

1063
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and they they believed in doing some

1064
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good in the world and like I said

1065
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:50,220
they're sappy do-gooders so I don't know

1066
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:52,650
what it is all I know is and the

1067
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:54,210
conclusion I came to was that there's

1068
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something else out there that helps us

1069
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do the good things that we're trying to

1070
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do and and may intervene in our lives in

1071
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:06,480
wonderful ways at times whether whatever

1072
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:09,050
religion we are isn't it also true that

1073
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when you're suffering from a serious

1074
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:15,090
illness sometimes your attitude towards

1075
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it can help with the process of getting

1076
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better no question about that

1077
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no question about that my nurse came up

1078
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:24,270
with a with an interesting study you

1079
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:25,470
know they all they publish all these

1080
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crazy studies and they're interesting

1081
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:28,230
study that they came up with we're

1082
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,640
getting flu shots now it's flu shot

1083
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,920
season and she came up with a study that

1084
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:33,960
that found that people that have a happy

1085
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:35,670
attitude when they get the flu shot have

1086
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:39,630
a higher antibody levels so I don't

1087
00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:40,650
think we can explain all these things

1088
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:42,150
but there's no question that people have

1089
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:44,280
a positive attitude do better

1090
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:46,770
always with cancers or any kind of

1091
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:49,530
illness and so I think that's that's

1092
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:53,130
been proven multiple times so here's a

1093
00:42:58,100 --> 00:42:55,650
question for you Scott and I hope it's

1094
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:58,110
80 years until this happens to me but

1095
00:43:02,570 --> 00:42:59,910
I'm 50 so the odds are against that I

1096
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:02,580
walk into a doctor's office and the

1097
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,310
doctor gives me a bad diagnosis whatever

1098
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:07,800
it is and says you know this this could

1099
00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:11,880
go good or could go back I would suspect

1100
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:15,390
that most patients I would certainly be

1101
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:17,910
one of them would never even think about

1102
00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:21,000
asking a doctor about you know I'd ask

1103
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:23,070
them like say it's cancer well is it

1104
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:24,900
chemotherapy radiation surgery what are

1105
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:25,410
my options

1106
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:27,870
Dok prayer wouldn't be on my list of

1107
00:43:32,330 --> 00:43:30,210
things to ask like should I be doing

1108
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:32,340
this in your practice leaving aside the

1109
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:33,750
book for a second the folks you talked

1110
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:36,410
to but in your practice overall years

1111
00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:40,110
how do you think doctors in general or

1112
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,390
nurse practitioners or whatever would

1113
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,880
receive that kind of question from a

1114
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:46,800
patient who may be facing a bad

1115
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,740
diagnosis if they would ask them well

1116
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,560
you know what do you think doc like can

1117
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:53,520
you have that kind of conversation

1118
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,260
that's the kind of conversation I have

1119
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:56,880
with my wife or my best friend I'm

1120
00:43:59,840 --> 00:43:58,290
having trouble imagining it with my

1121
00:44:00,680 --> 00:43:59,850
doctor because we have this view of them

1122
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:00,690
as white-coated

1123
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:03,810
gods almost he notes examine as opposed

1124
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:06,330
to sometimes human beings who you can

1125
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:08,340
talk about the most spiritual or

1126
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:10,950
personal or emotional things if you're a

1127
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:12,570
patient put yourself in the patient's

1128
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:15,050
shoes how do you have that conversation

1129
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:18,570
most patients for most doctors are for

1130
00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:20,580
many doctors that conversation would not

1131
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:23,790
go well doctors are busy they want to

1132
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,560
get to the scientific end of things and

1133
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:28,560
and the spiritual thing is is not on

1134
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,870
their radar which is one of the reasons

1135
00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:32,460
I wanted to write this book because I

1136
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:36,120
want people patients and doctors both to

1137
00:44:39,350 --> 00:44:37,830
realize that there is a different side

1138
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,360
there is another side of medicine that's

1139
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,280
not scientific there are spiritual

1140
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:43,440
things in medicine that help us heal

1141
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:48,360
that may do that a prayer may may do

1142
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:51,630
amazing things so I'm hoping that as

1143
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,580
this book gets out more and more that

1144
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:55,200
more people can talk to their doctor

1145
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:56,910
about spiritual things and more doctors

1146
00:45:02,600 --> 00:44:58,140
can talk to their patients about

1147
00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:02,610
spiritual things yeah well like I said I

1148
00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:03,990
hope it's 80 years until I have to have

1149
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,360
that conversation in any way shape or

1150
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:08,280
form it's probably a lot closer than

1151
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,430
that the when you would talk to folks

1152
00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:14,160
about these stories want to ask you

1153
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,070
specifically about the idea of

1154
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,160
near-death experiences mm-hmm what kind

1155
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:21,660
of stories have folks told you about

1156
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:22,440
that

1157
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:31,560
they're at the verge of death or or

1158
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:33,210
perhaps even medically you know

1159
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:34,710
scientifically we think they're dead but

1160
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:36,440
then they come back which does happen

1161
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:37,640
yeah and they come back with these

1162
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:40,370
stories of where they've been are being

1163
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:41,990
able to look down and see themselves in

1164
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,370
the operating table and all that sort of

1165
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:45,760
stuff what were your thoughts before

1166
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:48,200
maybe you started looking into all of

1167
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:49,790
this about something like that and what

1168
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,530
would your thoughts about that be maybe

1169
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,560
now and have they changed before I wrote

1170
00:45:57,820 --> 00:45:55,760
the book and before I heard some of

1171
00:45:59,770 --> 00:45:57,830
these stories I really didn't think too

1172
00:46:01,480 --> 00:45:59,780
much about near-death experiences I

1173
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:01,490
thought maybe you know it's it's like

1174
00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:03,530
there's there's not enough blood to the

1175
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:06,140
brain and people get this tunnel you

1176
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:08,090
know and so forth so I really wasn't

1177
00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:10,030
convinced that that that was a

1178
00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:13,220
reasonable thing but after listening to

1179
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:15,800
the these doctors that are my friends in

1180
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:17,630
many cases and doctors that I've known

1181
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:20,510
for many many years that have had these

1182
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:23,690
experiences and they say to me I can't

1183
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:25,400
explain it I all I know is I had this

1184
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:28,730
experience I've never had one sense and

1185
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:31,100
I know these are credible doctors that

1186
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:32,600
are just telling a story and they're

1187
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:33,980
hesitant to tell the story because

1188
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:35,870
they're afraid that someone will think

1189
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:38,600
that they're a little bit on the edge so

1190
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:40,550
after hearing these stories I'm a

1191
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:41,060
believer

1192
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:42,260
I believe that there's some really

1193
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:44,360
unusual things that happen and one of

1194
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:46,250
the first stories that I heard that that

1195
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,510
really got me interested in this was

1196
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:49,880
from from Dave moko who was a very

1197
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,770
respected orthopedic surgeon as a first

1198
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:53,960
successful practice it's a great guys a

1199
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,890
family guy and he came up to me and the

1200
00:47:00,850 --> 00:46:59,540
on the floor of the hospital he grabbed

1201
00:47:02,830 --> 00:47:00,860
my arm and said Scott I've got this

1202
00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:02,840
incredible story to tell you and this

1203
00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:04,220
was before I got interested in writing

1204
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:06,680
the book and so I said okay Dave tell me

1205
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:07,940
the story and he said oh I can't tell it

1206
00:47:10,690 --> 00:47:09,290
to you here and I said why not and he

1207
00:47:12,070 --> 00:47:10,700
said well it's think people I think I'll

1208
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,080
quit they might hear me I think I'm

1209
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:14,480
crazy so he went into a empty patient

1210
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:17,450
room and he said I marry as a mutual

1211
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:19,610
patient she was in the operating table I

1212
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:22,370
was going to do ankle surgery and she

1213
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:23,960
arrested when like mommy gave her the

1214
00:47:26,830 --> 00:47:25,580
antibiotic it was a cephalosporin

1215
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:26,840
antibiotic we gave her and she had a

1216
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:29,860
flat crashing heart stopped eyes closed

1217
00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:32,990
not unconscious no response to pain no

1218
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:35,390
breathing she was dead and they call the

1219
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:37,370
code everyone rushed in from the other

1220
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:39,320
rooms they started doing CPR and one of

1221
00:47:44,350 --> 00:47:41,570
the texts that was doing CPR that had

1222
00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:44,360
red hair under his operating room cap

1223
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:46,760
was not doing CPR adequately enough and

1224
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:48,680
Dave asked him to stop and when he did

1225
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:49,420
and he pushed in this

1226
00:47:53,010 --> 00:47:51,369
I you know cuz he was in charge of

1227
00:47:55,289 --> 00:47:53,020
making sure that her life was gonna be

1228
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:55,299
saved so he started doing CPR crapped

1229
00:47:59,760 --> 00:47:57,030
cracked cracked a couple ribs

1230
00:48:01,520 --> 00:47:59,770
unfortunately but he was he was doing

1231
00:48:03,539 --> 00:48:01,530
adequate CPR she was a big lady and

1232
00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:03,549
finally after some adrenaline a few

1233
00:48:06,809 --> 00:48:05,380
other things she came back but she

1234
00:48:08,849 --> 00:48:06,819
didn't come back to consciousness and

1235
00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:08,859
the next day she finally woke up

1236
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:11,859
cardiologists took off her it was clear

1237
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,630
that that the antibiotic had caused her

1238
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:15,760
arrest and when she was brought ready to

1239
00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:16,900
go home from the hospital

1240
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,849
dr. Moka wanted to give her some

1241
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:20,079
instructions on how to take care of

1242
00:48:23,789 --> 00:48:22,270
rankle she said she interrupted them and

1243
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:23,799
said thank you for saving my life and

1244
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:25,720
Davison some humble guy said it was just

1245
00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:27,609
a team effort everyone pitched in and

1246
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:30,040
she said no no I saw you push that guy

1247
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:31,569
aside with the red hair and I saw you

1248
00:48:36,270 --> 00:48:33,640
take over the CPR and that's when I

1249
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:36,280
started to come back and he said well he

1250
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:38,200
was just floored by that he had to sit

1251
00:48:41,819 --> 00:48:39,369
down he couldn't couldn't even

1252
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,829
understand how this would happen and she

1253
00:48:46,109 --> 00:48:44,319
said when I arrested I came I went my my

1254
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:46,119
body or something went up to the my

1255
00:48:48,539 --> 00:48:47,530
spirit went up to the top of the room

1256
00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:48,549
and I could see everything that was

1257
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,589
happening and in the operating room and

1258
00:48:55,289 --> 00:48:52,960
while I was doing that I could see you

1259
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,299
paging dr. Cole Baba looking at the door

1260
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:57,040
hoping that he would come to help assist

1261
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,270
with the code and I wasn't in the

1262
00:49:01,799 --> 00:49:00,400
hospital I saw the red guy the guy with

1263
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:01,809
the red hair being pushed aside and

1264
00:49:06,539 --> 00:49:03,880
stumble away and she mentioned every my

1265
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:06,549
new little detail of that arrest and

1266
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:10,000
that resuscitation and he there were

1267
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:11,740
things that no one could have told her

1268
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:13,450
except that she was right there and then

1269
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:15,730
she also said when I was when I was on

1270
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:18,670
the ceiling looking down my grandmother

1271
00:49:22,799 --> 00:49:21,160
came to me and told me that I hadn't

1272
00:49:24,569 --> 00:49:22,809
been a very good person in my life and I

1273
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:24,579
needed to be a good person and if there

1274
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:26,950
if I was then I would have a special

1275
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,569
place in heaven that she would reserve a

1276
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:30,880
special place for me in heaven now Mary

1277
00:49:34,829 --> 00:49:33,609
was a was not a very nice person I must

1278
00:49:36,809 --> 00:49:34,839
say she was my patient and doctor

1279
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,819
Moghuls patient and every time you saw

1280
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:38,319
her in the exam room she'd have

1281
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:39,970
something bad to say about you know how

1282
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:41,740
you're late and yeah you didn't do the

1283
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:44,020
prescription correctly or whatever but

1284
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:45,700
afterwards she was a wonderful person

1285
00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:48,670
and she brought us cookies when she came

1286
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:51,339
in to the to the office and she took

1287
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:54,040
care of her her widowed father and so it

1288
00:50:00,450 --> 00:49:55,990
was like a Christmas carol where she

1289
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:00,460
totally totally changed and I had the

1290
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:02,049
Dave you know who who have you told the

1291
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:02,770
story to

1292
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,840
they said well no one I told my wife and

1293
00:50:10,070 --> 00:50:06,480
that's it I'm afraid to tell this story

1294
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:10,080
because people will think I'm crazy so

1295
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:13,270
after hearing some very credible doctors

1296
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:15,340
tell some bizarre and interesting and

1297
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:18,010
unusual stories that they're don't that

1298
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:20,590
they don't want to tell I began to

1299
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:23,290
believe that there's you know I it

1300
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,370
strengthened my faith that there's

1301
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:27,040
something else out there that strange

1302
00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:29,350
things can happen to us that we don't

1303
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,300
understand as some day I think we will

1304
00:50:35,250 --> 00:50:33,760
but it leads me to believe even more

1305
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:35,260
stronger than I did before that there is

1306
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:37,030
a force there's a guy there's something

1307
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,550
higher than us that looks out for us and

1308
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:42,160
may help in an unusual and wonderful

1309
00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:44,530
ways now this is particularly

1310
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:46,540
interesting because it's not just

1311
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:49,840
somebody who is dead briefly maybe you

1312
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:51,190
think they have hallucinations or

1313
00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:53,350
something this is somebody literally

1314
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:55,600
levitating and seeing what's going on

1315
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:58,660
and what they see going on is accurately

1316
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:01,630
described exactly Gina and she really

1317
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:03,820
couldn't have listened to someone tell

1318
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:06,610
her these are such minut details that

1319
00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:08,920
she had to observe them herself now I

1320
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:11,350
would ask you in our next segment then

1321
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:14,080
Scott were there any other cases of a

1322
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:16,510
similar nature where somebody's either

1323
00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:19,630
floating above the fray or at least can

1324
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:21,880
capture information they would not

1325
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,370
otherwise know we have more with dr.

1326
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:27,760
Scott kabbaah Bob and Jean Steinberg and

1327
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:42,940
thank you for listening to GCN

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1333
00:52:02,440 --> 00:51:59,930
is haunted by intense dreams about a

1334
00:52:04,829 --> 00:52:02,450
beautiful woman pleading for his help

1335
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:04,839
after a terrible battle in outer space

1336
00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:07,400
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1337
00:52:12,099 --> 00:52:09,740
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1338
00:52:15,309 --> 00:52:12,109
with a woman whose faraway planet is

1339
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:15,319
intent on destroying the earth and now

1340
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:17,540
the gripping tale continues in the

1341
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:20,270
coming of the protectors it's the second

1342
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:23,000
book of the Rockets trilogy a galaxy

1343
00:52:27,609 --> 00:52:24,890
spanning adventure that pits our hapless

1344
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:27,619
heroes against powerful fanatical

1345
00:52:32,589 --> 00:52:29,690
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1382
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:12,780
now here's Jane Steinberg yes this we

1383
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:14,220
have a medical professional here we'll

1384
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:16,650
talk about a cast next time I break my

1385
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:18,600
arm I've never broken a bone I shouldn't

1386
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:19,890
say anything about that though because

1387
00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:22,980
you know next week it'll happen and then

1388
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,620
I'll be eating my words like that so

1389
00:54:32,090 --> 00:54:28,260
Scott in addition to this near-death

1390
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:32,100
experience floating above the phrase

1391
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,770
they say that has happened in other

1392
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,480
cases I've heard about what about your

1393
00:54:40,220 --> 00:54:38,280
experience you know I've never had an

1394
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:40,230
experience like that myself and no other

1395
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:43,110
doctors had a story like that there were

1396
00:54:46,850 --> 00:54:44,940
all kinds of other stories but there

1397
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,860
were no other stories of a near-death

1398
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,420
experience for the person floating I'm

1399
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:51,000
sure that happens I just happened to

1400
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,580
pick a selected group of doctors and and

1401
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:55,200
these the stories that I heard so that

1402
00:54:59,420 --> 00:54:57,470
was the only near-death experience I

1403
00:55:03,610 --> 00:54:59,430
there are other experiences that are

1404
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:03,620
equally unusual dreams premonitions

1405
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:06,750
ghosts visions things like that but but

1406
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:08,370
no other near-death experience that Ike

1407
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:10,500
that I ran across speaking of ghosts

1408
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,510
we've got the guy here for you Paul

1409
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,480
Campbell being co-host of a show about

1410
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:18,000
ghosts called haunted tell us the ghost

1411
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:20,070
story there are a couple ghost stories

1412
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:21,660
that were really good I think my

1413
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:25,740
favorite is from from Jack Heisler who

1414
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:27,480
was a gynecologist obstetrician he

1415
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,180
delivered our let's see our fourth show

1416
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,880
third child and that our third child is

1417
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:34,740
still walking and talking and alive and

1418
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:37,740
well his story is that of his wife who

1419
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:39,390
is in the delivery room delivering their

1420
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:40,980
fifth child he had a number of children

1421
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:43,350
and he was in the delivery room is was

1422
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:44,940
another gynecologist that was actually

1423
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,690
doing the delivery and Joan was having

1424
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:51,180
some difficulty with labor and Joan's

1425
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,010
grandmother was a midwife

1426
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:55,200
her name was they called her grandma

1427
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,200
Hamlin and grandma Hamlin came from from

1428
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:00,240
Ireland when there there was a lot of

1429
00:56:03,830 --> 00:56:02,010
controversy with the priests with the

1430
00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:03,840
Catholics and the Protestants fighting

1431
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:06,180
and the her father said her out of the

1432
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:08,670
country just because she he wanted to

1433
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:10,170
make sure that she was safe so she came

1434
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:11,910
to this country became a midwife and she

1435
00:56:16,329 --> 00:56:14,220
became the spiritual leader of the

1436
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:16,339
family she would do crazy things like

1437
00:56:20,839 --> 00:56:18,599
when she was taking the train into

1438
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:20,849
Chicago she would have sandwiches for

1439
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:22,740
the the beggars that would but it would

1440
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,950
come up to her and she didn't give them

1441
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,400
some money

1442
00:56:29,539 --> 00:56:28,440
occasionally and people would laugh at

1443
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:29,549
her and they'd say you know they're just

1444
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:31,140
gonna use that to buy alcohol and she

1445
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,170
would say God wants me to to do this and

1446
00:56:39,769 --> 00:56:36,599
what they do with their money is there

1447
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,779
is their thing and so she was quite a

1448
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:42,000
quite an individual and then when she

1449
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:44,099
became older she she couldn't deliver

1450
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:45,930
babies anymore so she lived with Jo and

1451
00:56:51,289 --> 00:56:49,529
smother in their house and John would

1452
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:51,299
always say if I could make it to grandma

1453
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:52,500
hand and slap but she got in trouble

1454
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:53,640
with her mother if I could make it to

1455
00:56:58,279 --> 00:56:55,640
grandma hand and slap I know I'd be safe

1456
00:57:00,289 --> 00:56:58,289
so John John was delivering their fifth

1457
00:57:02,329 --> 00:57:00,299
child accomplish the delivery and

1458
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,339
everything went well but then she

1459
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:04,319
started to have a lot of pain after the

1460
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:05,849
delivery and when they were doing some

1461
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,190
exploring and and had to remove some of

1462
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:10,440
the placenta things like that so the

1463
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:12,359
normal thing to do in those days was to

1464
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,250
give a drug called tri lean which is a

1465
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:16,500
administered by masks they put a mask

1466
00:57:19,999 --> 00:57:17,819
over the woman's face they give her a

1467
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:20,009
try lean she falls into a deep sleep and

1468
00:57:22,999 --> 00:57:21,480
they're able to do accomplish their

1469
00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:23,009
things and then they wake her up fairly

1470
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:26,339
soon afterwards and so John was about

1471
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:28,440
ready to get the trial and she was a

1472
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:30,420
little anxious about getting that and

1473
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:33,089
grandma Helen came in the room because

1474
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,740
she's a midwife and she had access

1475
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:36,240
access to the room and she stood at the

1476
00:57:40,339 --> 00:57:38,130
foot of the bed and she shook her head

1477
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:40,349
that that the John shouldn't take the

1478
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:41,730
trial in and she was dressed in her

1479
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,900
usual polkadot little outfit but her

1480
00:57:50,059 --> 00:57:47,400
vast her hair up in the bun and old-lady

1481
00:57:52,759 --> 00:57:50,069
shoes and and Jones are and and and then

1482
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:52,769
the signal to push the trolley away well

1483
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:54,750
no one realized that Joan had eaten a

1484
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:56,339
large meal right before she went into

1485
00:58:00,289 --> 00:57:58,920
labour in about one minute after she

1486
00:58:01,789 --> 00:58:00,299
pushed the trial in away which would

1487
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:01,799
have put her into a very deep sleep she

1488
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,529
vomited the entire meal had she had the

1489
00:58:08,539 --> 00:58:06,480
mask on her face she would have had a

1490
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,549
very serious complication of aspiration

1491
00:58:13,759 --> 00:58:09,839
which sometimes can be fatal

1492
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,769
it's very serious so John said that that

1493
00:58:18,499 --> 00:58:16,079
she made it to Grandma Hamlin's lap one

1494
00:58:20,509 --> 00:58:18,509
last time overcoming time and all

1495
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:20,519
eternity because grandma Helen had died

1496
00:58:23,779 --> 00:58:22,150
20 years before that

1497
00:58:27,779 --> 00:58:23,789
as we say in the ghost hunting business

1498
00:58:29,819 --> 00:58:27,789
spooky a good spooky because it's saved

1499
00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:29,829
her life they really did it really did

1500
00:58:34,529 --> 00:58:33,160
so I love that story and it's that's

1501
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:34,539
quite a story it's one of my favorites

1502
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:36,609
grab the grandma I'll handle story so

1503
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:38,920
here's the hard question Scott because I

1504
00:58:42,779 --> 00:58:41,049
have to ask at least one hard question

1505
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:42,789
that he's then I have an easy question

1506
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:45,970
afterwards so we're talking about faith

1507
00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:49,990
and unconditional love and how it can

1508
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:52,359
intervene and really save you all that

1509
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,910
sort of stuff sure sounds great hope in

1510
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:56,079
the troubled world is you say in your

1511
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,020
book well yes it it is getting more

1512
00:59:04,890 --> 00:59:02,319
troubled with each passing day so here's

1513
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:04,900
the flipside though why is it a troubled

1514
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:07,270
world like if why are all these people

1515
00:59:11,309 --> 00:59:09,640
you know doctors among any of above

1516
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:11,319
anyone else except maybe police officers

1517
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:14,650
or first responders see the worst in

1518
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:16,990
especially emergency room doctors can

1519
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:19,420
see the worst in society so if there's

1520
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:21,849
the benevolent all loving God out there

1521
00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:24,180
who can intervene in these positive ways

1522
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,920
why do we have these negative stories in

1523
00:59:30,329 --> 00:59:28,720
the first place do any and so when you

1524
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:30,339
were talking and I don't want to put you

1525
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:32,260
personally in the hot seat although I am

1526
00:59:36,779 --> 00:59:34,569
but we're talking to a lot of these

1527
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:36,789
doctors does did this ever come up it's

1528
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,260
you know how do you wrestle with this

1529
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:39,760
that there seems to be this positive

1530
00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:41,740
force that can help folks but at the

1531
00:59:46,289 --> 00:59:44,380
same time I mean six million dead in the

1532
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:46,299
Holocaust I can just list the 20th

1533
00:59:50,339 --> 00:59:48,520
century where was the positive force for

1534
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:50,349
them so how did how do you reconcile

1535
00:59:54,299 --> 00:59:52,809
that you know I've struggled with this

1536
00:59:56,099 --> 00:59:54,309
and many doctors have struggled with the

1537
00:59:58,529 --> 00:59:56,109
answer to that question I finally heard

1538
01:00:01,529 --> 00:59:58,539
a TED talk that gave me the answer to

1539
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:01,539
this and the TED talk was by uh by a

1540
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:03,910
minister from England it was a great

1541
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:07,450
talk and he talked about how some

1542
01:00:11,549 --> 01:00:09,250
strange things happen like the the

1543
01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:11,559
tsunami in them in Malaysia and anti and

1544
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:13,869
Thailand and how there was a church for

1545
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:16,270
example that that normally would meet on

1546
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,130
Sunday when they when the tsunami came

1547
01:00:23,309 --> 01:00:21,520
on the beach and for this with this one

1548
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:23,319
particular Sunday they decided to have

1549
01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:24,760
their church service in the mountains

1550
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:27,329
where they were very safe and and

1551
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:29,740
hundreds of people were killed and and

1552
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:32,559
and injured and they were all safe he

1553
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:34,390
said well why why did that happen why

1554
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:35,530
did God or

1555
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:37,630
or the universe or whatever you want to

1556
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,550
call it have those people go up in the

1557
01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:41,680
mountain and the rest of the people were

1558
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:43,600
killed or hurt badly

1559
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:46,720
his conclusion was a very profound

1560
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:49,240
conclusion and his conclusion was we

1561
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:53,770
don't know and that's my conclusion Jean

1562
01:00:58,410 --> 01:00:56,170
I I don't know why there are some people

1563
01:01:00,810 --> 01:00:58,420
that are saved why a person has a

1564
01:01:02,790 --> 01:01:00,820
terrible cancer and suddenly

1565
01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:02,800
miraculously cured I've had that happen

1566
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:05,380
I had a patient that had a terrible

1567
01:01:09,090 --> 01:01:06,850
cancer we put her in the hospital she

1568
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:09,100
had cancer breast cancer around her

1569
01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:10,450
heart and her liver and her lungs

1570
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:13,390
everywhere and we said we she said all

1571
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:14,770
the chemotherapy all the hormonal

1572
01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:16,750
manipulations all the radiation that she

1573
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:19,420
can get we she failed and everything we

1574
01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:21,370
sent her home and I kept seeing her

1575
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:23,620
every month thinking she's gonna be in

1576
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,150
krill trouble and die any minute

1577
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:27,040
and I kept seeing her every month and

1578
01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:29,050
after about nine months I thought why

1579
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:30,820
don't we get some additional scans and

1580
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:32,560
find out what's going on here

1581
01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:35,470
and it was gone the cancer was gone so I

1582
01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:37,750
can't explain that I think someday we'll

1583
01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:40,270
know but I think there is bad in the

1584
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:41,800
world and there's good in the world and

1585
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:43,930
some people have miraculous things

1586
01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:45,970
happen to them and other people don't I

1587
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:48,190
do know I do believe that there's a

1588
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:51,010
place where we all go eventually where

1589
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:53,470
we will learn why that is and I think

1590
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:57,070
that place is some someplace that that

1591
01:02:02,550 --> 01:01:58,980
will give us peace and an understanding

1592
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:02,560
but for right now all I can say is the

1593
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:04,930
answer is I don't know I often think

1594
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:06,460
about that place that can give me peace

1595
01:02:10,050 --> 01:02:07,930
and understanding and it usually winds

1596
01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:10,060
up being Burger King for me I really

1597
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:11,590
hope the afterlife is more interesting

1598
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:13,510
than Burger King or Wendy's or

1599
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:15,220
McDonald's no offense to those burger

1600
01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:17,470
joints there was a movie once I forget

1601
01:02:20,790 --> 01:02:19,360
who was in it I know Meryl Streep was

1602
01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:20,800
one of the people and I forget who was

1603
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:23,020
the star of the movie but it ended up

1604
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:24,490
that they could eat whatever they wanted

1605
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:27,850
in this way station between here and

1606
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:30,820
there and it wouldn't cause them any

1607
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,500
weight problem I want to go to that

1608
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:35,440
place as some of the u.s. to host a

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place too and put 20 pounds on from

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eating cheeseburgers

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the irony is by going to all those

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burger joints I'm moving myself much

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more quickly to finding the answer to

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the question I just asked which is what

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lies beyond probably

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so and as I say that I get a twinge in

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my upper left chest perfect I'm sure

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it's a muscle pain another question I'd

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have in this one there's a forum user

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death is impossible period now he's not

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actually wrote this in the pear caste

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scientists telling me that life after

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death is literally impossible I thought

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I'd ask a scientist and a doctor who's

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dealt with this stuff do you think it's

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actually impossible that there might be

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life after death I know what we can now

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trying to bring out his inner Frank

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fresh and unfortunately it stays in I'm

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kidding I will not come in about singing

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at all Scott you had the question there

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a response let me give you a story to

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answer that question if you don't mind

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I'll a story from Noemi single off Noemi

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single office a general surgeon

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she is unusual because she is a female

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surgeon and traditionally that's a male

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occupation and when she tried to get

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into residency everyone told her that

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this is not for ladies and it's gonna be

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too hard and so forth which is which

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just cemented her determination to do

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that and she is an excellent surgeon she

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was the only female surgeon in a

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residency program of about thirty-five

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01:09:01,789 --> 01:09:00,569
males and one one female and they made

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01:09:03,999 --> 01:09:01,799
fun of her though but they called her

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the girl but she did it and she

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succeeded and she's a great surgeon and

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she tells a story about taking care of a

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couple missionary people ron was the the

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fellows name they were both doctors and

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they were missionaries in central Africa

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they operated on and and took care of

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lots and lots of the people in Africa

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their whole life and when they finally

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had to retire they came back here and

1781
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:27,299
she was seeing the wife for some medical

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conditions and surgical condition

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whatever they'd see her in the office

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they would say and she dr. sigilyph

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admits that she doesn't have an

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organized religion she doesn't go to

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church

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but they would always ask her how she's

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doing spiritually some doctors would get

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offended by this but the way they asked

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her she said was in such a kind loving

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way that she was never offended and one

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01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:49,319
of the last visits they had together

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the fellow Ron said some day I'm gonna

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show you that there is life after death

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that that God exists and and that

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there's something else when we leave the

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earth and she said that's that's nice

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and and you know he she was very kind

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and didn't make fun of him at all so

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they lost contact with each other and

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she never saw them

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again but one day dr. Seagal was

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planning a three day vacation to your

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neck of the woods Jean she was going to

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Tucson and she's leave early in the

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morning but she had a case that night

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before because she was on call and had

1809
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to operate real late at night and so she

1810
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had to make rounds really early in the

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morning because her flight was leaving

1812
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later in the morning she had to see this

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person so as she's going to the hospital

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there was almost no one there was like

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01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:37,030
four o'clock in the morning and she

1816
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opened the doors l'hospital and then she

1817
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opened the door there was the blast of

1818
01:10:44,340 --> 01:10:42,190
air that came at her and just it's not

1819
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:44,350
unusual to have that happen but what she

1820
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saw then in her mind's eye was a vision

1821
01:10:51,930 --> 01:10:49,690
of Ron and she hadn't thought about him

1822
01:10:53,490 --> 01:10:51,940
or seen him for four years and he was

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dressed in white and he had a smile on

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his face

1825
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and she said the smile was a smile that

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that made her believe that he had

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accomplished an incredible mission in

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his life and then she she was so taken

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01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:07,000
back by this vision that she said hi

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friend and then everything disappeared

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01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:11,290
and she looked around to make sure that

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no one heard her no one saw her because

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she was little embarrassed that she even

1834
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talked to to nothing and in front of her

1835
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:18,489
and she made her rounds and she went on

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:20,260
her under tripped on her vacation and

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and she never likes to check her email

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when she's on vacation because he

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there's always something that upsets you

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01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:28,210
so she shuts everything off and when she

1841
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:30,310
was coming back in the airport and the

1842
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:32,590
Tucson she checked her email and and

1843
01:11:37,290 --> 01:11:35,230
there was an email that was that gave

1844
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:37,300
her goosebumps and the email said was

1845
01:11:42,899 --> 01:11:39,010
from the vice-president of the hospital

1846
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,909
it said I regret to inform you that run

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:45,280
so and so a good friend of the hospital

1848
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:48,250
a longtime missionary died suddenly on

1849
01:11:53,729 --> 01:11:51,370
Friday morning at 2:00 a.m. she made

1850
01:11:58,050 --> 01:11:53,739
rounds at 4:00 a.m. and she saw his

1851
01:12:01,530 --> 01:11:58,060
vision at 4:00 a.m. you ask me this is a

1852
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:01,540
responsible ordinary kind of a doc who

1853
01:12:07,169 --> 01:12:03,880
has a vision of a person that had died

1854
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:07,179
and then smiled as if he accomplished

1855
01:12:10,919 --> 01:12:08,980
the major mission in his life to show

1856
01:12:13,470 --> 01:12:10,929
her that there is something after after

1857
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,480
after life that there is a life after

1858
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:16,239
dr. death and she checked the records

1859
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,250
just to make sure that he when he the

1860
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:19,840
the death the date the time of his death

1861
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,850
there was two a.m. and she had made

1862
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:23,280
rounds and saw him at

1863
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:25,620
I am so the answer to your question is

1864
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:27,300
there is there life after death I don't

1865
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:28,770
know if I can ever prove it for the

1866
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:30,690
hundred percent certainty but some of

1867
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:32,130
these doctors have had some unusual

1868
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:34,620
experiences and that make me believe

1869
01:12:38,780 --> 01:12:36,450
that there is something after afterlife

1870
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:38,790
yeah I hear a lot of those stories - and

1871
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:41,370
not just doing the actually very not as

1872
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often doing the ghost investigating show

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but just throughout my career as an

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historian or studying folklore just

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talking to folks my grandfather's

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Reformed Baptist minister you hear those

1877
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,380
you know a lot of those stories sort of

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01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:54,120
pop up and people say that they they see

1879
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:56,790
people they sort of to them it emerges

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01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:58,590
as proof of life after death

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01:13:02,690 --> 01:13:01,380
so can't prove it in a court of law so

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it takes it out of the beyond a

1883
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,960
reasonable doubt but on the balance of

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01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:05,600
probabilities it becomes an interesting

1885
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:08,910
question to look at I wanted to ask you

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01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:11,610
about if jeans okay with that about

1887
01:13:16,820 --> 01:13:15,030
dreams because you talk in your book or

1888
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,830
you talk to people in your book who talk

1889
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:18,840
about dreams one of the stories that I

1890
01:13:23,690 --> 01:13:21,330
found interesting because I was involved

1891
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:23,700
in a car accident many years ago when I

1892
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was younger I wrote about it in my own

1893
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book and how similar circumstances to

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01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:30,840
what you described in your book Luis

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Manrique yes talks about the chapters if

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I had been buckled and it sort of

1897
01:13:40,670 --> 01:13:38,490
resonated with me because I kinda had a

1898
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:40,680
near-death experience having to do with

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:42,630
a car accident like that - maybe you

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01:13:46,730 --> 01:13:44,010
could tell the story of Luis man Ricky

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01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:46,740
because it also it also touches upon the

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concept of dreams and how people maybe

1903
01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:51,600
can see or hear things in their dreams

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01:13:55,820 --> 01:13:54,780
that that having a practical impact if

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01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:55,830
you will in the real world

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sure Louie's is an infectious disease

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01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:00,300
doctor here at our Hospital needs a

1908
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:01,770
great infectious disease doctor and I

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:04,190
use them all the time for various

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01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:06,570
pneumonias or whatever comes around that

1911
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:09,000
I can't quite feel comfortable handling

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and he told me an interesting story he

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was he's from Peru and it's interesting

1914
01:14:17,810 --> 01:14:16,260
in Peru that to take a test to see if

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01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:17,820
they're good enough to become go to

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01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:19,710
medical school and I think there are

1917
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like 20,000 people that take this test

1918
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every year and it's something like 80

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people that are chosen before I think 40

1920
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people I chosen to to to be able to

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01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:31,890
matriculate into medical school and he

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01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,030
was one of the 40 so he's a bright guy

1923
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:37,360
and he was in in medical school and it

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01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:40,210
was this is the book part of medical

1925
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:42,250
school and it's really a lot of studying

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01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,190
and it's really really rough and he was

1927
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:48,400
unusually tired one night and he went to

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bed and he lived he slept in his own

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01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:54,070
private bedroom and he had his eyes

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closed and then sometime in the middle

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of the night is not sure when he could

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see you know how even if your eyes are

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01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:01,720
closed you can tell there's a light in

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the room the light became brighter and

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01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:06,250
brighter and brighter now he was a

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01:15:12,990 --> 01:15:09,700
little afraid to open his eyes because

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he was afraid that this might be real so

1938
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he couldn't tell if it was real or if he

1939
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:17,290
was a dream and then he heard this voice

1940
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from behind him and that was also

1941
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,120
unusual because his bed the head of his

1942
01:15:25,710 --> 01:15:23,920
bed was against the wall so this was a

1943
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:25,720
voice coming from from where the wall

1944
01:15:31,170 --> 01:15:29,110
was the voice was a was a kind and

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01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:31,180
loving kind of a voice and the voice

1946
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said you'll be okay you're not going to

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be hurt

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he quieted his breathing down so he

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01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:38,350
could hear the rest of the story and

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01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:40,540
there was no other no other voice no

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01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:43,030
other words were said and then the light

1952
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,070
seemed to fade away and then he went

1953
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:47,440
back into a deep sleep now he's not sure

1954
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:49,570
if that was a dream or if it was real

1955
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:51,610
but again he was afraid to open his eyes

1956
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:54,250
and later on he said to me I wish I

1957
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:55,480
would have hoped with my eyes to see

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01:15:58,710 --> 01:15:56,770
what was going on but I was afraid to

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01:16:00,900 --> 01:15:58,720
open my eyes this was so unusual I'd

1960
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:00,910
never had this experience before well

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01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:02,890
the next day he woke up the dream was

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01:16:06,030 --> 01:16:04,330
still with them but you know how most

1963
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:06,040
dreams are you realize that you know

1964
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:07,150
you've had this dream it was kind of

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01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:08,350
interesting and then you forget about it

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:10,630
and so he forgot about the dream and he

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01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:12,370
was going to class and this is a Friday

1968
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:14,350
and and then and they were they had some

1969
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:16,450
tests and it was a busy day and then the

1970
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:18,070
medical students decided that they'd go

1971
01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:20,590
out for a couple beers to local pub

1972
01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:23,140
afterwards and and celebrate at the end

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:25,000
of the week and they had nothing going

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01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:27,130
on the next day so they did we'll have

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the rest of the story with Scott Paul

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thank you for listening to GCS

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I bet you get recognized a lot

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I was pretty the ballplayer you were

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some people thought so sorry we

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recognized you from those new genex

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commercials oh yeah that's great

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more energetic I wish my husband would

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[Music]

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01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,699
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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01:21:01,589 --> 01:20:59,679
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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podcast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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[Music]

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01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,659
we continue here with dr. Scott Kaabah

2092
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:20,239
and the book is called physicians untold

2093
01:21:23,979 --> 01:21:21,170
stories and he's telling us a

2094
01:21:26,049 --> 01:21:23,989
fascinating tale now and we started with

2095
01:21:28,029 --> 01:21:26,059
this group of people going out and maybe

2096
01:21:30,729 --> 01:21:28,039
having a couple of beers to relax

2097
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:30,739
Scott continued please so these are

2098
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,209
medical students and they're always

2099
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:34,159
exhausted so after a couple beers you

2100
01:21:36,969 --> 01:21:35,570
can imagine how exhausted they were

2101
01:21:38,890 --> 01:21:36,979
they're half asleep and they can't keep

2102
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:38,900
up with their friends so they decided to

2103
01:21:43,029 --> 01:21:41,329
leave you know fairly early and after a

2104
01:21:44,469 --> 01:21:43,039
couple beers they're not used to

2105
01:21:45,879 --> 01:21:44,479
drinking beers because they're studying

2106
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:45,889
all the time and so they're a little on

2107
01:21:50,259 --> 01:21:47,630
the high side and when they got out into

2108
01:21:51,819 --> 01:21:50,269
the cold air they woke up a little bit

2109
01:21:53,949 --> 01:21:51,829
and and they opened the windows and

2110
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:53,959
serve the yell and had a good time and

2111
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:55,610
then a designated driver

2112
01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:57,170
but the designated driver had dressed

2113
01:22:00,699 --> 01:21:59,179
had has many beers so they had squats

2114
01:22:03,729 --> 01:22:00,709
not clear why they had a designated

2115
01:22:05,469 --> 01:22:03,739
driver anyway there's a driver Manuel

2116
01:22:07,209 --> 01:22:05,479
was was driving the car and they got a

2117
01:22:09,129 --> 01:22:07,219
little silly they were crossing a

2118
01:22:11,649 --> 01:22:09,139
viaduct and as they were crossing this

2119
01:22:13,569 --> 01:22:11,659
this bridge that Manuel started to

2120
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:13,579
swerve back and forth just having fun

2121
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:16,639
and Lewis was in the passenger seat and

2122
01:22:19,569 --> 01:22:18,590
became a little afraid and he decided to

2123
01:22:23,969 --> 01:22:19,579
buckle up

2124
01:22:26,949 --> 01:22:23,979
so Manuel you know I'm in the unusual

2125
01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:26,959
Louis an unusual manner said you don't

2126
01:22:31,629 --> 01:22:29,420
need a buckle and Lewis was was taken

2127
01:22:33,759 --> 01:22:31,639
aback by the sudden suddenness of his

2128
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:33,769
words and and the force with which he

2129
01:22:37,839 --> 01:22:35,570
said that because that wasn't like him

2130
01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:37,849
at all and so he released the buckle

2131
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:40,099
immediately well about two seconds after

2132
01:22:45,969 --> 01:22:43,489
that men Manuel came to our sudden turn

2133
01:22:48,759 --> 01:22:45,979
and he couldn't navigate the turn so the

2134
01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:48,769
car rolled over and those are the last

2135
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,420
words that men well was able to speak

2136
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:52,639
because the door of his the driver's

2137
01:22:57,009 --> 01:22:55,249
side door flew open he was ejected out

2138
01:22:59,259 --> 01:22:57,019
and he died a couple days later in the

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hospital the car rolled over multiple

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01:23:05,379 --> 01:23:02,719
times and when it came to a stop

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01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,389
Lewis was actually pushed over into the

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01:23:10,029 --> 01:23:07,760
driver's seat and he looked over to

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01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:10,039
where he was sitting the passenger side

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01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:12,050
and the entire top of the car was

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01:23:16,060 --> 01:23:14,449
crushed down into the passenger seat

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01:23:17,589 --> 01:23:16,070
had he been sitting there he would have

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been crushed to death had he been

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buckled his life would have been over me

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and goosebumps when he realized what had

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happened

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01:23:27,230 --> 01:23:24,810
well the other people in the back of the

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01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:27,240
car we're still there and so Lewis

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01:23:32,090 --> 01:23:29,730
decided to get out and run to the

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01:23:34,670 --> 01:23:32,100
nearest station please sir I think was a

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01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,680
fire station to get some help so he ran

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01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:36,780
there got the fire department they he

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01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:38,970
took them back to where the car was they

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01:23:42,740 --> 01:23:40,410
helped the people that were injured in

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01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:42,750
the back of the car and he set him a

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01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:45,030
curb and then he suddenly realized that

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01:23:47,780 --> 01:23:46,560
he looked around and one of the

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01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:47,790
paramedics came to him and said can I

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:49,770
help you are you hurt he looked at his

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01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:51,570
arms he looked his legs there were no

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01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:53,670
cuts no scratches nothing he was covered

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01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,340
with glass from from the windshield but

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01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:58,560
he was not hurt at all and suddenly he

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:00,870
remembered his dream from the night

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01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:03,570
before that he would not be hurt and he

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01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:06,540
again had goose bumps realizing that he

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01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,270
had must have been visited by some

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01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:11,520
visitor that came from somewhere that

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01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:14,340
that we don't normally communicate with

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that told him that he was not going to

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be hurt at all

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01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:20,520
and he went back home and he's a very

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01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:22,830
religious kind of an individual and he

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01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:24,930
got on his knees right away instead of

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01:24:29,210 --> 01:24:27,240
prayer thanking his father and his

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01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:29,220
Heavenly Father for saving his life and

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01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:31,850
not having injured be injured at all

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unfortunately Manuel died was ejected

2183
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from the from the car so he still

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01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:39,900
doesn't know exactly whether this was a

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01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:42,780
dream or not a dream but it was

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01:24:46,670 --> 01:24:44,070
something that he never experienced

2187
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:46,680
before or since yeah it's interesting if

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01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:48,210
you spend enough time talking about

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01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:50,610
particularly in the Atlantic Canadian

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01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:52,950
region in which I live but there's a

2191
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:54,750
reason Stephen King wrote you know

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01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,980
somebody novels set in Maine it's

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01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:57,360
embedded in our folklore in our

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01:25:02,120 --> 01:24:59,550
mythology here the idea of forerunners

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01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:02,130
as we would call them other cultures

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01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:03,750
have different names for them they can

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appear to you in dreams or they can

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appear to you in waking dreams or in all

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sorts of synchronicities or deja vu all

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01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:12,410
sorts of weird things they give you this

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:15,090
this idea of something that's coming

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01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:17,850
usually traumatic frankly you rarely get

2203
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:19,260
a forerunner saying you're gonna win the

2204
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:22,890
lotto but this idea that that these

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01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:24,900
stories are embedded in our our

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01:25:29,540 --> 01:25:27,300
tradition our history and to hear

2207
01:25:32,690 --> 01:25:29,550
doctors talk about them you know

2208
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,700
scientists is is sort of a bit of an

2209
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:35,040
interesting culture shock for me but

2210
01:25:37,870 --> 01:25:35,690
just to show

2211
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:37,880
we'll say shock I'm a former musician

2212
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:39,590
I'm a former a lot of things so when I

2213
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:41,930
was young right I left the practice of

2214
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:44,480
law behind to play in a rock band and so

2215
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:46,910
your chapter music in the emergency

2216
01:25:52,150 --> 01:25:49,010
department is that Robin meraz is that

2217
01:25:54,010 --> 01:25:52,160
how you say last name um I like that one

2218
01:25:56,500 --> 01:25:54,020
and perhaps you could tell that's right

2219
01:25:59,070 --> 01:25:56,510
I also hate that one because it brings

2220
01:26:01,840 --> 01:25:59,080
in my fear of any medical procedure

2221
01:26:03,820 --> 01:26:01,850
because a simple procedure that goes

2222
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:03,830
very very badly that you wouldn't you

2223
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:06,170
know in the aftermath expect so that one

2224
01:26:10,570 --> 01:26:08,810
frightens me but the story's fascinating

2225
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:10,580
and I love it because there's a musical

2226
01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:12,830
angle to it but it also talks about this

2227
01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:15,860
idea of a place beyond death perhaps you

2228
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,150
can tell that circus it's really it's

2229
01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:19,040
actually pretty fun and uplifting story

2230
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:21,460
except for the one part that that I hate

2231
01:26:27,970 --> 01:26:25,070
your former comment to Paul you know the

2232
01:26:29,890 --> 01:26:27,980
book is all physicians and I did that on

2233
01:26:32,140 --> 01:26:29,900
purpose because physicians traditionally

2234
01:26:34,450 --> 01:26:32,150
have been scientists and to have

2235
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:34,460
scientists tell stories that are totally

2236
01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:39,350
unscientific really is is interesting to

2237
01:26:44,110 --> 01:26:42,230
me and I think it lets lend some

2238
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:44,120
credibility to these stories because

2239
01:26:47,710 --> 01:26:46,250
these are people that that believe in

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01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:47,720
science they have lived in scientific

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01:26:52,510 --> 01:26:50,360
method we talk about you know doing

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01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:52,520
evidence-based medicine and giving first

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01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:54,920
people medications and so forth based on

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01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,350
evidence that has accumulated over the

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01:27:01,570 --> 01:26:59,360
years this particular thing works and

2246
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:01,580
this one doesn't and so forth so it was

2247
01:27:05,860 --> 01:27:03,560
very interesting for me to have so many

2248
01:27:07,660 --> 01:27:05,870
doctors come out with stories that are

2249
01:27:10,540 --> 01:27:07,670
totally unscientific and you can't be

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01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:10,550
can't be explained by science alone the

2251
01:27:15,220 --> 01:27:12,530
one about music and the emergency room

2252
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:15,230
was one of my my favorites Robin Meraz

2253
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:17,930
one of the things I learned in talking

2254
01:27:22,810 --> 01:27:19,310
with these Doc's is some of their their

2255
01:27:25,210 --> 01:27:22,820
history the doctors have are fascinating

2256
01:27:28,180 --> 01:27:25,220
individuals Robin Burroughs is emergency

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01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:28,190
room doc she's a female and she always

2258
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:29,810
wanted to be in an ER doc because

2259
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:31,670
there's a lot of adrenaline in the ER

2260
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:34,310
and she loves to be in this situation

2261
01:27:38,350 --> 01:27:36,290
that's life and death and if you make

2262
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:38,360
the wrong decision you're in real

2263
01:27:41,710 --> 01:27:38,750
trouble

2264
01:27:44,410 --> 01:27:41,720
and so she loves that that excitement in

2265
01:27:46,890 --> 01:27:44,420
the in the ER she also is an interesting

2266
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:46,900
individual because she runs the marathon

2267
01:27:51,710 --> 01:27:49,080
mutter second or third Mareth

2268
01:27:56,260 --> 01:27:51,720
and she she's an individual that that

2269
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,270
believes in making goal and if she she

2270
01:28:00,800 --> 01:27:59,040
is insistent upon achieving that goal

2271
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:00,810
and she'll do everything to achieve that

2272
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:02,490
goal and one of her marathons was a

2273
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:04,620
particularly hot day and she got to

2274
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:07,710
about mile 20 and she got dehydrated she

2275
01:28:12,230 --> 01:28:10,320
threw up and she lost a vision and she

2276
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:12,240
said she said to me when I lost my

2277
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:13,710
vision I knew there was something

2278
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:17,250
seriously wrong so she stopped running

2279
01:28:21,740 --> 01:28:20,130
obviously she sat down cooled off got

2280
01:28:24,260 --> 01:28:21,750
her blood pressure back evidently got

2281
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:24,270
some some liquids her husband came to

2282
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:25,800
her and said it's time to go home and

2283
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:27,570
she said no I'm finishing this marathon

2284
01:28:31,730 --> 01:28:29,880
and she got her vision back she got

2285
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:31,740
hydrated and she indeed did finish the

2286
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:32,850
marathon so that's the kind of

2287
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:34,620
individual that we're dealing with here

2288
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:37,130
on the ER so she tells a story about

2289
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,110
Cleveland who is a fellow that had renal

2290
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:42,000
failure and when you have renal failure

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01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:44,910
you are in dialysis quite commonly and

2292
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:46,740
that's what he was getting ready for and

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01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:48,540
there's a procedure where they connected

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01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:50,550
artery and a vein and the wrists or in

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01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:53,520
the arm to use for the dialysis and he

2296
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,250
had this procedure done and the artery

2297
01:29:00,920 --> 01:28:59,340
is the the high-pressure system so what

2298
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:00,930
happened was one of the one or two of

2299
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:03,090
the stitches came loose in his surgery

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01:29:07,130 --> 01:29:05,130
and he started to bleed and this is a

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01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,140
pumper you know the the artery is a

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pumper so when when you have a hole in

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01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:11,760
the artery every time the the heart

2304
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:13,530
pumps you pump blood out so he was

2305
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:16,170
rapidly losing blood his wife came into

2306
01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:18,450
the living room or he was reliving was

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01:29:21,020 --> 01:29:19,470
covered with blood she called the

2308
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paramedics they took him right to the

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hospital by the time he got to the

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was unconscious and he had no blood

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pressure and dr. murrow's and knew that

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he because they radioed ahead that he

2314
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had no blood pressure when they found

2315
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him and she thought this guy's dead but

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she had an experience in a residency

2317
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where a person had come back when they

2318
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got enough blood so she said let's give

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her a try let's let's see if we can

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resuscitate him they put about two or

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three IVs in big bore IVs like they

2322
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squeezed the blood in and they gave him

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:51,690
a bunch of luck and after a couple hours

2324
01:29:57,740 --> 01:29:54,810
he woke up and he actually came back and

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his first words were very interesting he

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said take me back to that room that has

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the music and

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to him Cleveland we don't play music in

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the emergency room and he went on then

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Robyn looked at the nurse and they both

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knew what was going on he went on

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described this this broom that was white

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Scott you're telling us this story here

2451
01:35:47,210 --> 01:35:42,960
where he remembers this room with the

2452
01:35:49,820 --> 01:35:47,220
strange music go on please so Cleveland

2453
01:35:52,940 --> 01:35:49,830
was actually mad at dr. Murad's that he

2454
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:52,950
couldn't go back to that room and he

2455
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:55,920
also was mad at his wife and he said to

2456
01:36:01,490 --> 01:35:58,560
his wife you know where did you bring me

2457
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,500
and and she she said to him where do the

2458
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:02,880
heck do you think I brought brought you

2459
01:36:07,190 --> 01:36:05,070
I brought you Rachel the hospital so he

2460
01:36:09,980 --> 01:36:07,200
really couldn't believe that was the

2461
01:36:12,860 --> 01:36:09,990
case and was a little skeptical about

2462
01:36:15,010 --> 01:36:12,870
where she actually brought him but Robin

2463
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:15,020
and the nurse that took care of them

2464
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:17,460
have a pretty good idea that he wasn't

2465
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:20,130
on earth when he was hearing that music

2466
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:21,450
there was something else and he was

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01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:24,090
probably dead when he heard that music

2468
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:26,130
and then came back and he wanted to I

2469
01:36:31,370 --> 01:36:27,540
still wanted to stay in that room with a

2470
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:31,380
music was so beautiful yeah so do i and

2471
01:36:35,570 --> 01:36:33,750
it sort of it opens up a whole wide

2472
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:35,580
range of debates with a ton of friends

2473
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:37,260
of mine about what kind of music will be

2474
01:36:40,670 --> 01:36:39,690
playing for us when we so I you know one

2475
01:36:42,290 --> 01:36:40,680
friend might be listening to Beethoven

2476
01:36:45,530 --> 01:36:42,300
another one might be listening to the

2477
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:45,540
Ramones so if you wind up in the you

2478
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:47,130
know and he'll the one who wants to

2479
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:48,330
listen to Beethoven could wind up with

2480
01:36:56,420 --> 01:36:50,970
Ramones and vice versa which would be

2481
01:36:57,980 --> 01:36:56,430
using music for both good and evil it's

2482
01:37:00,410 --> 01:36:57,990
also I mean if I had to go to hell I

2483
01:37:01,700 --> 01:37:00,420
could probably listen to music I don't

2484
01:37:03,410 --> 01:37:01,710
want to listen to as opposed to some of

2485
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:03,420
the alternatives that's maybe not so bad

2486
01:37:09,090 --> 01:37:05,620
how was your book been

2487
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:09,100
by doctors who are not in your book if

2488
01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:10,810
you know what I mean like people you

2489
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:13,000
work with but also maybe reviewers or

2490
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:15,010
people within the medical community how

2491
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:17,530
have they looked at it I was really

2492
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:19,690
worried about the risk response I would

2493
01:37:23,010 --> 01:37:21,460
get because I thought people would say

2494
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:23,020
this you know these are kind of hokey

2495
01:37:26,730 --> 01:37:24,970
stories and and these are kind of

2496
01:37:28,170 --> 01:37:26,740
bizarre and and you know what kind of a

2497
01:37:30,570 --> 01:37:28,180
doctor are you and I'm not gonna go to

2498
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:30,580
you anymore because you believe in this

2499
01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:32,950
crazy stuff and just the opposite

2500
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:35,860
happened Pollak I really it was it was

2501
01:37:39,930 --> 01:37:37,750
surprising and when it started to happen

2502
01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:39,940
was when we launched the book we had a

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01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:41,260
number of the doctors not everyone

2504
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:42,550
showed up but we have quite a few the

2505
01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:43,930
doctors that were in the book show up

2506
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:46,360
for the launch and they were treated

2507
01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:49,330
like heroes like they had the courage

2508
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:51,790
enough to come out with stories that

2509
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:54,880
many people have and I think in telling

2510
01:37:58,380 --> 01:37:56,650
these stories to patients because I love

2511
01:38:00,420 --> 01:37:58,390
to tell stories and I always tell my

2512
01:38:03,150 --> 01:38:00,430
patients some of these stories and it's

2513
01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:03,160
a it's surprising to me that many people

2514
01:38:07,710 --> 01:38:05,980
have had similar experiences and when

2515
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:07,720
they hear a story like this they say

2516
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:09,280
thank you for coming out with these

2517
01:38:13,530 --> 01:38:11,710
stories or this story because now I

2518
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,540
don't feel so bad about telling my story

2519
01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:15,760
and then they're there telling me their

2520
01:38:20,670 --> 01:38:17,860
story about a miraculous experience too

2521
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,680
and I think just from my limited

2522
01:38:26,490 --> 01:38:22,960
experience with with telling stories and

2523
01:38:28,770 --> 01:38:26,500
listening to people my my suspicion is

2524
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:28,780
that most people or most families have

2525
01:38:34,140 --> 01:38:31,450
had a store like this and they're afraid

2526
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:34,150
to tell anyone and Myra the response

2527
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:36,370
that I've had from patients from doctors

2528
01:38:41,070 --> 01:38:39,040
from everyone is incredibly positive

2529
01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:41,080
thank you for coming out with these

2530
01:38:47,130 --> 01:38:44,470
these stories thank you for sharing this

2531
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:47,140
with us I feel so much more hopeful

2532
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:49,630
about life I'm more optimistic

2533
01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:51,070
it helps me deal with the death of my

2534
01:38:54,570 --> 01:38:53,020
mother thank you for having this

2535
01:38:56,970 --> 01:38:54,580
courageous doctors actually put their

2536
01:38:59,100 --> 01:38:56,980
names on these stories and admit that

2537
01:39:01,800 --> 01:38:59,110
that they had these unusual experiences

2538
01:39:05,070 --> 01:39:01,810
that that no one has admitted to before

2539
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:05,080
did any of the doctors whose stories you

2540
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:07,780
quoted report to you any experiences

2541
01:39:12,300 --> 01:39:10,510
from people who read the book you know

2542
01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:12,310
they're universally positive I don't

2543
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:14,440
think I've had one doctors say they had

2544
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:16,900
any negative comments at all yeah I was

2545
01:39:20,660 --> 01:39:18,420
very surprised I

2546
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:20,670
very surprised about that and I think

2547
01:39:25,490 --> 01:39:23,010
that speaks to the fact that again many

2548
01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:25,500
people have these experiences also and

2549
01:39:30,620 --> 01:39:27,239
they feel good that these scientists

2550
01:39:32,419 --> 01:39:30,630
have come out with with stories that you

2551
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:32,429
can explain scientifically okay here's

2552
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,130
another one of those tough questions or

2553
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,440
theoretically tough I suppose but we

2554
01:39:43,010 --> 01:39:40,080
live in an age where science is under

2555
01:39:45,140 --> 01:39:43,020
attack and it's becoming harder and

2556
01:39:46,610 --> 01:39:45,150
harder in some cases and I won't talk

2557
01:39:48,260 --> 01:39:46,620
about American politics but in Canada we

2558
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:48,270
added government here for ten years that

2559
01:39:51,530 --> 01:39:49,620
those of us who have progressive

2560
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,540
certainly saw an attack on science a

2561
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,520
muzzling of scientists and this idea

2562
01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:55,679
that we live in an even though we have

2563
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,390
we're moving forward in terms of all our

2564
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:59,280
technology and everything in there the

2565
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,260
things we can do we're sort of becoming

2566
01:40:09,290 --> 01:40:04,080
as a society less scientific if you will

2567
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:09,300
is there a danger no let me not phrase

2568
01:40:15,260 --> 01:40:12,270
it like that how do you reconcile the

2569
01:40:18,530 --> 01:40:15,270
two in terms of making sure that while

2570
01:40:20,540 --> 01:40:18,540
these stories can be told and they

2571
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:20,550
should be told and they can be hopeful

2572
01:40:24,169 --> 01:40:22,230
and uplifting and all that sort of stuff

2573
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:24,179
you don't have people going out and

2574
01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:25,440
saying you know what my doctor

2575
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:28,920
prescribed me you know a statin for high

2576
01:40:31,580 --> 01:40:31,110
blood no statins go for cholesterol I

2577
01:40:33,620 --> 01:40:31,590
can't remember

2578
01:40:34,729 --> 01:40:33,630
that's why that's why I didn't go I had

2579
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,739
used to be on it that's why I didn't go

2580
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:35,760
to medical school I couldn't remember

2581
01:40:39,290 --> 01:40:38,010
these things but you know or my after

2582
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:39,300
surgery my doctor told me this or

2583
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:41,310
frankly my doctor wants me to undergo

2584
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:43,260
chemotherapy for cancer and I think I'm

2585
01:40:47,390 --> 01:40:45,570
just gonna pray it away that's a sort of

2586
01:40:48,860 --> 01:40:47,400
a fine line to walk or a you know a

2587
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:48,870
narrow needle hole if you will the

2588
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:51,210
thread so how do we balance those two as

2589
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:54,060
we tell these stories but also don't

2590
01:40:58,820 --> 01:40:56,010
undermine the science that that

2591
01:41:00,650 --> 01:40:58,830
underlines medicine these are great

2592
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:00,660
questions this is this is a phenomenal

2593
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:06,210
question because it speaks about these

2594
01:41:11,419 --> 01:41:07,620
doctors have to have these experiences

2595
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:11,429
and you know will they do something

2596
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,710
unusual and a person comes in with a

2597
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:16,080
particular illness and will they say

2598
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:18,510
let's just pray over it and and not

2599
01:41:22,490 --> 01:41:19,679
treat with with conventional medicine

2600
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:22,500
and I think virtually all the doctors

2601
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,050
including myself believe in the

2602
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:27,600
scientific method in science and believe

2603
01:41:31,540 --> 01:41:30,000
that that if a person is a high

2604
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:31,550
cholesterol and

2605
01:41:35,500 --> 01:41:32,930
risk for heart disease you treat him

2606
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:35,510
with a statin and that will help and and

2607
01:41:41,740 --> 01:41:38,960
and so but there are times when you have

2608
01:41:45,940 --> 01:41:41,750
a premonition or a feeling or something

2609
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:45,950
that you just can't explain and you try

2610
01:41:50,620 --> 01:41:48,650
to balance that with science and try to

2611
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:50,630
listen to that my partner for example

2612
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:54,110
John borne will frequently tell me that

2613
01:41:58,930 --> 01:41:56,330
that after he sees a person he may have

2614
01:42:01,390 --> 01:41:58,940
this funny premonition or funny feeling

2615
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:01,400
that he needs to do something and unless

2616
01:42:05,110 --> 01:42:03,260
it's really bizarre crazy

2617
01:42:07,090 --> 01:42:05,120
he'll frequently listen to that that

2618
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:07,100
voice to that little premonition and one

2619
01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:09,350
of the cases was a person that had a

2620
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:11,510
publicity he was pre opting for total

2621
01:42:15,790 --> 01:42:14,090
joint surgery and he had a feeling after

2622
01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:15,800
he did the pre-op and after the fella

2623
01:42:19,810 --> 01:42:17,270
went home that he needed the stress test

2624
01:42:21,940 --> 01:42:19,820
and so it wasn't too out of the realm of

2625
01:42:24,220 --> 01:42:21,950
normal to do a stress test because he

2626
01:42:25,420 --> 01:42:24,230
had a few risk factors and so they tried

2627
01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:25,430
to convince the guy that you do a stress

2628
01:42:28,330 --> 01:42:27,260
test and my fellow refused nice he

2629
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:28,340
finally said well I'm not gonna clear

2630
01:42:31,060 --> 01:42:29,360
you unless you have a stress test well

2631
01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:31,070
his first test you failed this dress

2632
01:42:35,890 --> 01:42:33,560
test badly needed a bypass surgery he

2633
01:42:37,870 --> 01:42:35,900
might have died it is our comedic

2634
01:42:40,660 --> 01:42:37,880
surgery if he hadn't had the stress test

2635
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:40,670
so I think it's important that we

2636
01:42:45,370 --> 01:42:43,370
balance things that virtually all the

2637
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:45,380
doctors that I've dealt with that are in

2638
01:42:50,410 --> 01:42:47,690
this book believe in science and

2639
01:42:53,230 --> 01:42:50,420
believed in in doing the conventional

2640
01:42:54,370 --> 01:42:53,240
straight-arrow things in medicine but

2641
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,380
there are some things that you just

2642
01:42:59,380 --> 01:42:56,480
can't explain and some feelings that you

2643
01:43:02,260 --> 01:42:59,390
get that you just can't ignore and I

2644
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:02,270
think we all have those and might the

2645
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:04,730
point of the book is listen to those and

2646
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:07,520
if they make sense maybe you should pay

2647
01:43:12,130 --> 01:43:08,930
attention to some of that stuff maybe

2648
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:12,140
there's a dream that you had that is

2649
01:43:17,380 --> 01:43:15,170
trying to tell you something but as a

2650
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:17,390
fine line Paul you're absolutely right

2651
01:43:25,210 --> 01:43:20,260
between conventional medicine and

2652
01:43:26,770 --> 01:43:25,220
something that is way off and again

2653
01:43:28,420 --> 01:43:26,780
again most the doc Berkeley all the

2654
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:28,430
doctors in this book believe in

2655
01:43:32,590 --> 01:43:30,430
conventional medicine but they still

2656
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:32,600
believe that there may be something else

2657
01:43:37,330 --> 01:43:35,930
out there that that may help us in our

2658
01:43:39,940 --> 01:43:37,340
day to day lives and our day to day

2659
01:43:42,879 --> 01:43:39,950
diagnosis sometimes he said most of the

2660
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:42,889
doctors believe in conventional medicine

2661
01:43:46,990 --> 01:43:45,170
they all do well they all just do okay

2662
01:43:49,149 --> 01:43:47,000
so we don't have any chiropractors here

2663
01:43:53,470 --> 01:43:49,159
we don't have people who do acupuncture

2664
01:43:55,180 --> 01:43:53,480
or anything I mean no the doctors in the

2665
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,190
book do that but I think acupuncture has

2666
01:44:01,000 --> 01:43:58,400
its place I think chiropractic as a has

2667
01:44:04,270 --> 01:44:01,010
its place there's a chiropractor in the

2668
01:44:05,770 --> 01:44:04,280
book that it does a great job with some

2669
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:05,780
patients so there's lots of different

2670
01:44:12,700 --> 01:44:09,050
kinds of medical treatments that do do

2671
01:44:14,830 --> 01:44:12,710
work yeah I have friends actually my

2672
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,840
wife goes to a chiropractor and I some I

2673
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:16,639
sometimes teased her

2674
01:44:19,899 --> 01:44:18,170
you know the Homer Simpson episode where

2675
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:19,909
he becomes the chiropractor and he just

2676
01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:22,250
throws people on trash cans and I say

2677
01:44:28,570 --> 01:44:25,070
yeah but it works for her she swears by

2678
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:28,580
it so which the Homer Simpson thing

2679
01:44:31,570 --> 01:44:29,810
reminds me to when I was asking you

2680
01:44:33,820 --> 01:44:31,580
about religion earlier the great Homer

2681
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:33,830
Simpson line as his cars going over

2682
01:44:41,890 --> 01:44:35,810
cliff he just says Jesus Allah Buddha I

2683
01:44:43,689 --> 01:44:41,900
love you all of course I've gone to a

2684
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:43,699
chiropractor to and Consumer Reports

2685
01:44:48,729 --> 01:44:46,639
magazine did a survey on the efficacy of

2686
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,739
different medical practices and said

2687
01:44:53,890 --> 01:44:51,280
that you know in certain cases

2688
01:44:57,070 --> 01:44:53,900
chiropractic does work and certainly of

2689
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,080
anything else it's a lot less invasive

2690
01:45:03,250 --> 01:44:59,600
than certain types of surgery where

2691
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,260
there is no predicting what might happen

2692
01:45:11,260 --> 01:45:05,360
at least you can try this first we've

2693
01:45:15,340 --> 01:45:11,270
got what you say I agree okay dr. Scott

2694
01:45:21,070 --> 01:45:15,350
call Baba with gene and Paul you're in

2695
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:29,290
[Music]

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2751
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2752
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[Music]

2753
01:48:04,450 --> 01:48:02,840
we're in something or other now

2754
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:04,460
obviously the skeptics gonna come out

2755
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:06,320
and maybe say a couple of crazy things

2756
01:48:11,530 --> 01:48:08,540
Scott so I'm gonna ask you in looking

2757
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:11,540
over stories here and we'll get to some

2758
01:48:14,860 --> 01:48:12,290
more in a moment

2759
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:14,870
did you ever run across anybody who

2760
01:48:19,570 --> 01:48:16,910
might just be the kind of person who

2761
01:48:21,610 --> 01:48:19,580
likes to tell stories just to look

2762
01:48:24,460 --> 01:48:21,620
impressive or gets a kick out of it

2763
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:24,470
yes I did yes I did and I've been in

2764
01:48:28,420 --> 01:48:26,570
this business for a long time I know the

2765
01:48:30,250 --> 01:48:28,430
docs in the area I know these docs that

2766
01:48:32,230 --> 01:48:30,260
tell the stories there are several

2767
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:32,240
doctors that like to tell stories and

2768
01:48:36,250 --> 01:48:34,490
like to exaggerate a little bit and I

2769
01:48:38,230 --> 01:48:36,260
stayed way away from those doctors

2770
01:48:41,170 --> 01:48:38,240
because I wanted something that was very

2771
01:48:43,260 --> 01:48:41,180
credible and the doctors that that I

2772
01:48:46,090 --> 01:48:43,270
included in the book are just ordinary

2773
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:46,100
routine doctors that have successful

2774
01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:49,370
practices that have no reason to tell at

2775
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:52,190
all tattletale did you have a chance at

2776
01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:54,290
all or considered talking to the patient

2777
01:48:59,740 --> 01:48:57,100
involved to get a slant from them on it

2778
01:49:01,720 --> 01:48:59,750
absolutely absolutely when when I could

2779
01:49:03,940 --> 01:49:01,730
I would can't contact the patient

2780
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:03,950
sometimes I had a tough time finding

2781
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:05,510
that finding the patient I had one

2782
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:08,050
patient that had an amazing experience

2783
01:49:16,570 --> 01:49:12,800
that was cured with with end-stage

2784
01:49:18,580 --> 01:49:16,580
multiple sclerosis barb Kaminsky and I

2785
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:18,590
had trouble contacting her to get her

2786
01:49:25,540 --> 01:49:22,310
story and what she experienced and about

2787
01:49:28,090 --> 01:49:25,550
a couple days before the manuscript was

2788
01:49:29,740 --> 01:49:28,100
due and I'd been writing her and calling

2789
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:29,750
her and various numbers that I had

2790
01:49:33,730 --> 01:49:31,910
around the country and nothing nothing

2791
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:33,740
nothing and a couple days before the

2792
01:49:37,450 --> 01:49:34,910
manuscript was due I got a phone call

2793
01:49:40,210 --> 01:49:37,460
and who was on the phone but Barbic

2794
01:49:42,940 --> 01:49:40,220
Minsky and she said to me I got your

2795
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:42,950
letter about six months ago and I been

2796
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:45,290
meaning to call you and contact you

2797
01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:46,850
because I think you were doing some

2798
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:49,120
stories about me and I just happened to

2799
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:53,360
decide to call you tonight and so there

2800
01:49:57,130 --> 01:49:55,010
are some fun funny coincidences or

2801
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,140
strange coincidence that that did happen

2802
01:50:01,090 --> 01:49:58,400
right in the book and that

2803
01:50:02,860 --> 01:50:01,100
one of them so I where it was possible I

2804
01:50:04,090 --> 01:50:02,870
tried to contact all the individuals

2805
01:50:06,820 --> 01:50:04,100
involved with the story to get all the

2806
01:50:08,290 --> 01:50:06,830
sides here's a question for you Scott

2807
01:50:10,750 --> 01:50:08,300
when you were doing all these interviews

2808
01:50:13,689 --> 01:50:10,760
and you say you left a number of stories

2809
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:13,699
out so far all of them positive these

2810
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:15,770
all have happy endings or at least you

2811
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:18,290
know hopeful resignations were there any

2812
01:50:22,959 --> 01:50:21,080
stories and as a ghost investigator and

2813
01:50:24,729 --> 01:50:22,969
I use those that term in quotation marks

2814
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,739
I just play one on TV

2815
01:50:28,330 --> 01:50:26,960
but sometimes you go into a place and

2816
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,340
the people that are in the allegedly

2817
01:50:31,959 --> 01:50:29,840
haunted house will say Oh everything's

2818
01:50:33,010 --> 01:50:31,969
friendly our spirits love us here etc

2819
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:33,020
etc oh cool

2820
01:50:38,350 --> 01:50:35,210
a great night tonight this'll be fun and

2821
01:50:39,820 --> 01:50:38,360
it turns sideways on us and we have a

2822
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:39,830
terrible experience frightening

2823
01:50:43,810 --> 01:50:41,570
terrifying so when you're talking to

2824
01:50:45,580 --> 01:50:43,820
these doctors or these patients are

2825
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:45,590
their experiences that you've heard that

2826
01:50:52,090 --> 01:50:48,560
are actually frightening and maybe don't

2827
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:52,100
have a good resolution and how did that

2828
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:53,840
if so how did that factor into your

2829
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:56,210
research I was expecting to hear some

2830
01:50:58,810 --> 01:50:57,650
stories like that but I really didn't

2831
01:51:03,280 --> 01:50:58,820
hear very many stories that were

2832
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:03,290
frightening or upsetting or emotionally

2833
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:05,449
disturbing there was one story about a

2834
01:51:08,740 --> 01:51:07,190
little girl that I really couldn't the

2835
01:51:12,010 --> 01:51:08,750
family didn't want me to put in the book

2836
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:12,020
that died and the story was about her

2837
01:51:18,610 --> 01:51:14,810
death and her experience with with being

2838
01:51:21,610 --> 01:51:18,620
touched by angels but universally I

2839
01:51:24,430 --> 01:51:21,620
didn't find any very serious seriously

2840
01:51:26,140 --> 01:51:24,440
negative stories I talked with one of

2841
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:26,150
the palliative care doctors who deals

2842
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:27,770
with death and dying all the time and

2843
01:51:32,260 --> 01:51:29,690
she's been in the practice about 20

2844
01:51:34,030 --> 01:51:32,270
years and I said you know universally

2845
01:51:35,860 --> 01:51:34,040
the stories you - you're telling me are

2846
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:35,870
very positive and and you know have you

2847
01:51:42,970 --> 01:51:38,690
run across any frightening stories where

2848
01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:42,980
people are you know seeing the devil or

2849
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,350
or flames or things like that she said

2850
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:48,080
almost never she said my experiences

2851
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:50,239
with people that are dying have almost

2852
01:51:54,820 --> 01:51:53,210
universally been positive also yeah I

2853
01:51:56,380 --> 01:51:54,830
was surprised at that and and the

2854
01:51:59,080 --> 01:51:56,390
stories that I've gotten none of them

2855
01:52:02,830 --> 01:51:59,090
were were frightening or disturbing and

2856
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:02,840
so I guess that's just maybe I've got a

2857
01:52:07,149 --> 01:52:04,820
skewed sample of stories but that's just

2858
01:52:09,220 --> 01:52:07,159
what what I experienced and what I had

2859
01:52:11,649 --> 01:52:09,230
but I listened to a general life after

2860
01:52:13,959 --> 01:52:11,659
death question do you think that

2861
01:52:16,330 --> 01:52:13,969
people who were bound to die have a

2862
01:52:18,699 --> 01:52:16,340
sense that life is about to end I'll

2863
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:18,709
tell you why I feel that in a moment yes

2864
01:52:23,529 --> 01:52:21,860
I do in many cases people I don't know

2865
01:52:26,290 --> 01:52:23,539
what it is but they they have a sense

2866
01:52:28,299 --> 01:52:26,300
that that they're going to die and not

2867
01:52:30,009 --> 01:52:28,309
everyone but I think that it's not

2868
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:30,019
uncommon that people have that knives

2869
01:52:34,299 --> 01:52:32,030
I've seen lots of people at the end of

2870
01:52:36,819 --> 01:52:34,309
their lives and lots of people that

2871
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:36,829
aren't in the book obviously but I think

2872
01:52:40,209 --> 01:52:38,510
that there's a sense that that they're

2873
01:52:43,449 --> 01:52:40,219
they're about ready to die yes

2874
01:52:45,870 --> 01:52:43,459
the example I give you is my father now

2875
01:52:48,669 --> 01:52:45,880
the day before my birthdays is 1988

2876
01:52:50,830 --> 01:52:48,679
September 8th get a call from him that

2877
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,840
night and normally we talk on the phone

2878
01:52:55,449 --> 01:52:53,119
like two minutes let's have dinner this

2879
01:52:57,609 --> 01:52:55,459
weekend how are things going he was a

2880
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,619
man of few words then in person he'd

2881
01:53:01,569 --> 01:52:59,360
speak a lot but not so much on the phone

2882
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:01,579
so this particular time the conversation

2883
01:53:07,899 --> 01:53:05,360
seemed to go a lot longer like 1012

2884
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:07,909
minutes whatever where he just seemed to

2885
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:10,489
want to be reassured I was okay and our

2886
01:53:15,399 --> 01:53:12,650
son who at that point was like 2 years

2887
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:15,409
old and he was ok and everything and

2888
01:53:19,839 --> 01:53:18,110
that barber was ok my wife and then the

2889
01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:19,849
next day he's playing cards with his

2890
01:53:23,979 --> 01:53:21,590
friends at some kind of seniors

2891
01:53:26,649 --> 01:53:23,989
Community Center and he had been pretty

2892
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:26,659
healthy up till then just shy of his

2893
01:53:34,989 --> 01:53:30,650
79th birthday on my birthday and he just

2894
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,999
keels over and dies so I thought you

2895
01:53:40,179 --> 01:53:37,760
know what he knew that night the night

2896
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:40,189
before he was going to go that day I

2897
01:53:45,489 --> 01:53:43,760
think that happens there's a story in my

2898
01:53:48,399 --> 01:53:45,499
book about that very thing there's

2899
01:53:51,939 --> 01:53:48,409
Patrick Fenner who's expert cardiologist

2900
01:53:54,819 --> 01:53:51,949
was in his residency and he was very

2901
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:54,829
busy I didn't have time to to deal with

2902
01:54:00,370 --> 01:53:56,570
family things write up very much because

2903
01:54:02,020 --> 01:54:00,380
he was just so busy and one day this is

2904
01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:02,030
before cellphones and one day he got a

2905
01:54:08,049 --> 01:54:05,030
call when he was off and this this is

2906
01:54:09,909 --> 01:54:08,059
the first day he was off for four months

2907
01:54:11,140 --> 01:54:09,919
literally it was the Saturday he was

2908
01:54:13,179 --> 01:54:11,150
sitting around he got a call from his

2909
01:54:14,949 --> 01:54:13,189
mother and it's unusual that his mother

2910
01:54:16,959 --> 01:54:14,959
would call him because she always knew

2911
01:54:18,279 --> 01:54:16,969
that he was busy and she could never get

2912
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:18,289
a hold of him because there was no cell

2913
01:54:21,850 --> 01:54:20,090
phone and the college department would

2914
01:54:23,509 --> 01:54:21,860
almost be fruitless because he was never

2915
01:54:25,879 --> 01:54:23,519
there as always working but this

2916
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:25,889
day he was there and she said things

2917
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:28,169
that they never talked about before and

2918
01:54:33,289 --> 01:54:31,619
and she said to him Patrick I think I've

2919
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:33,299
not been a good mother to you and

2920
01:54:39,319 --> 01:54:37,199
Patrick has said to her mom you are the

2921
01:54:40,879 --> 01:54:39,329
most phenomenal mom I could imagine she

2922
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:40,889
went to every single one of his

2923
01:54:45,169 --> 01:54:43,199
basketball and football games through

2924
01:54:47,419 --> 01:54:45,179
high school and everyone through college

2925
01:54:50,029 --> 01:54:47,429
he was a put an athlete she was always

2926
01:54:51,949 --> 01:54:50,039
there for him and he told her that and

2927
01:54:54,199 --> 01:54:51,959
he told her some things that they never

2928
01:54:55,639 --> 01:54:54,209
would talk about before and she just had

2929
01:54:57,169 --> 01:54:55,649
a surgery she just had a gallbladder

2930
01:54:59,479 --> 01:54:57,179
surgery and she was recovering at home

2931
01:55:02,839 --> 01:54:59,489
and doing just fine there was no big big

2932
01:55:04,309 --> 01:55:02,849
issue and they talked for a long time

2933
01:55:05,899 --> 01:55:04,319
and normally they couldn't talk for a

2934
01:55:08,089 --> 01:55:05,909
long time because of this was because

2935
01:55:11,059 --> 01:55:08,099
its residence he was so busy they talked

2936
01:55:12,859 --> 01:55:11,069
maybe for an hour and when they hung up

2937
01:55:15,439 --> 01:55:12,869
just before they hung up she said to him

2938
01:55:17,209 --> 01:55:15,449
Patrick thank you for talking to me like

2939
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this we've never you've never told me

2940
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this that you love me so much and that

2941
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you appreciated all the things that I

2942
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did for you and I feel so much better

2943
01:55:28,669 --> 01:55:25,559
now and she hung up and about two hours

2944
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:28,679
later Patrick gets a call from his

2945
01:55:33,409 --> 01:55:32,010
sister your mother just died she'd a

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massive pulmonary embolus when she

2947
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walked into the bedroom and died of a

2948
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foamer embolus from the surgery and he

2949
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couldn't believe it that he just talked

2950
01:55:45,259 --> 01:55:40,889
with her two hours ago

2951
01:55:48,769 --> 01:55:45,269
and so there's a couple things in that

2952
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story one is why would she call him at

2953
01:55:52,909 --> 01:55:50,489
that very particular time why would he

2954
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happen to be home and be able to talk to

2955
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her for an hour when he normally

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wouldn't have talked to her at all

2957
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,760
except for once a week they have a short

2958
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conversation and then why would she

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bring up those very deep feelings just

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before she died and that he was able to

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reassure her and and you know why would

2962
01:56:17,299 --> 01:56:13,769
why would all this happen and it made a

2963
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made a great story and you've got to

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believe that there's something else that

2965
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helps us along our way at times when

2966
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we're when we're in real trouble or were

2967
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feeling bad and he helped us you know I

2968
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,389
think Patrick said my mother always

2969
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helped me in my troubled times when I

2970
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was growing up and now I helped her in

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her transition

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from life to eternity one of the things

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it's interesting that story one of the

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things I think that folks get from

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reading your book and you know just say

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flat out if you're a skeptic and you

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don't believe in any of this stuff

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well you might still get something out

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of reading the book and here's what I

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would think they would get I would hope

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you have 20 seconds Paul you have twenty

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seven watch me wrap it up like a pro

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that life is precious and that you know

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moments matter and that we need to pay

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attention to the people around us that

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really came through your in your book to

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me as much as the stories once again

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look is called physicians untold stories

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sorts of fascinating stories here and

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many of them uplifting about people who

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are ill people who might have died

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people who briefly died any story that

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you've encountered in this book or

3098
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stories that maybe will appear in a

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future book just leave you frightened at

3100
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all frightened to death over what

3101
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happened anything at all

3102
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:27,479
let's see I think most of the stories

3103
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that I have really are more uplifting

3104
02:02:35,469 --> 02:02:33,749
than they are frightening there are some

3105
02:02:38,629 --> 02:02:35,479
frightening experiences people have had

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but I'm thinking about you know as Doc's

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we like to make the right diagnosis and

3108
02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:43,139
we like to make sure that we're doing

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the right things and one of the worst

3110
02:02:48,469 --> 02:02:47,249
things that can happen and one of the

3111
02:02:51,229 --> 02:02:48,479
most frightening things that can happen

3112
02:02:54,199 --> 02:02:51,239
to a doctor is to make the wrong

3113
02:02:57,729 --> 02:02:54,209
diagnosis and have a person die and that

3114
02:03:00,829 --> 02:02:57,739
is that stays with you forever

3115
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:00,839
and I can think of one patient that we

3116
02:03:04,099 --> 02:03:02,159
took care of that

3117
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,109
My partner admitted to the hospital

3118
02:03:07,969 --> 02:03:06,239
who's interesting you know all the

3119
02:03:09,829 --> 02:03:07,979
disasters seem to happen on Friday that

3120
02:03:12,469 --> 02:03:09,839
Friday afternoons when you're trying to

3121
02:03:14,839 --> 02:03:12,479
get away and my partner was trying to go

3122
02:03:16,549 --> 02:03:14,849
out a little little weekend trip

3123
02:03:17,959 --> 02:03:16,559
the wife is usually staying home

3124
02:03:19,429 --> 02:03:17,969
wondering when the heck you're gonna get

3125
02:03:22,009 --> 02:03:19,439
home and she's a little mad because

3126
02:03:24,379 --> 02:03:22,019
you're you're late again and that was

3127
02:03:26,930 --> 02:03:24,389
the case with him he had a patient show

3128
02:03:29,540 --> 02:03:26,940
up in the ER with wheezing and

3129
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:29,550
ESMA and she'd had experience where she

3130
02:03:33,470 --> 02:03:31,770
was living with her daughter and she had

3131
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:33,480
asthma for a long time the daughter had

3132
02:03:39,020 --> 02:03:36,449
cats and dogs and was a smoker and we

3133
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:39,030
always he told her that if she if he

3134
02:03:42,350 --> 02:03:40,890
lives with her daughter she doesn't have

3135
02:03:43,580 --> 02:03:42,360
an asthma attack because of all the

3136
02:03:45,260 --> 02:03:43,590
stuff that she's exposed to ensure

3137
02:03:47,090 --> 02:03:45,270
enough she had an asthma attack and so

3138
02:03:49,070 --> 02:03:47,100
she's in the ER and the ER doc wanted to

3139
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:49,080
send her out and thought she was fine

3140
02:03:52,820 --> 02:03:51,210
but dr. Boren just wanted this take a

3141
02:03:55,370 --> 02:03:52,830
look at her and see how she was and

3142
02:03:57,140 --> 02:03:55,380
despite having to leave that evening

3143
02:03:59,540 --> 02:03:57,150
with a wife that's mad at him already

3144
02:04:01,939 --> 02:03:59,550
because he was late showed up in the ER

3145
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:01,949
to check her out and see if she was okay

3146
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:05,040
and sure enough he thought you know I

3147
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:07,650
did be really easy to send her home I

3148
02:04:10,850 --> 02:04:09,210
wouldn't have to do all the work of

3149
02:04:12,740 --> 02:04:10,860
admitting her and so forth but he said

3150
02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:12,750
there's something I just needed to admit

3151
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:14,820
it to the hospital so he did he admitted

3152
02:04:18,740 --> 02:04:16,290
to the hospital with an asthma attack

3153
02:04:20,990 --> 02:04:18,750
she took off in the weekend we split

3154
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:21,000
call so I do the weekends that he's gone

3155
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:23,010
and we flip-flop weekend so I was on

3156
02:04:26,420 --> 02:04:24,960
call that weekend and I saw her on that

3157
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:26,430
Saturday morning and she had a typical

3158
02:04:29,810 --> 02:04:28,080
asthma attack and she was still wheezing

3159
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,820
a little bit but she's quite a bit

3160
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:31,199
better from the night before so I cut

3161
02:04:34,130 --> 02:04:33,090
back from her medications I thought

3162
02:04:35,870 --> 02:04:34,140
maybe I'll be able to send her home

3163
02:04:38,689 --> 02:04:35,880
tomorrow and we'll see how she does I

3164
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:38,699
saw the next day and she was worse I

3165
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:40,710
kicked myself for stopping some the

3166
02:04:44,090 --> 02:04:42,300
medications we do is thing I'm thinking

3167
02:04:45,500 --> 02:04:44,100
you know I probably should have kept her

3168
02:04:47,900 --> 02:04:45,510
on some of the medication but you never

3169
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:47,910
know you make a judgment call when I

3170
02:04:52,250 --> 02:04:49,890
walked in the room to see her she was on

3171
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:52,260
the phone and most times when when the

3172
02:04:55,550 --> 02:04:54,210
doctor walks into the room patients

3173
02:04:56,780 --> 02:04:55,560
usually hang up and say I've got to go

3174
02:04:58,189 --> 02:04:56,790
the doctors in the room you know and

3175
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:58,199
it's got a nice because that saves you

3176
02:05:02,689 --> 02:05:00,239
some time but she didn't hang up on this

3177
02:05:04,970 --> 02:05:02,699
on this individual and and so I sat in

3178
02:05:06,860 --> 02:05:04,980
the room for it for a little bit and you

3179
02:05:08,689 --> 02:05:06,870
know when the person's on the phone you

3180
02:05:11,060 --> 02:05:08,699
don't want to be like you're listening

3181
02:05:12,530 --> 02:05:11,070
to the conversation so you know you try

3182
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:12,540
to look at something else and look away

3183
02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:14,250
and I didn't know what to do with my

3184
02:05:17,810 --> 02:05:15,960
hands I was sitting on my hands and you

3185
02:05:19,370 --> 02:05:17,820
know how you feel uncomfortable and all

3186
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:19,380
of a sudden she closed your eyes and was

3187
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:22,890
very quiet and her quietness lasted it

3188
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:24,330
probably was at least two minutes it

3189
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:26,010
seemed like hours and she was on the

3190
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:27,840
phone and not saying anything with her

3191
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:29,730
eyes closed and then she said thank you

3192
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:32,010
and hung up the phone and then I talked

3193
02:05:36,439 --> 02:05:34,410
with her and while she was on that phone

3194
02:05:37,850 --> 02:05:36,449
I was thinking you know that she really

3195
02:05:40,010 --> 02:05:37,860
had asthma or maybe there's something

3196
02:05:41,630 --> 02:05:40,020
else going on here and maybe I need

3197
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:41,640
maybe we should look for something else

3198
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,190
and then I'd say no no this is a typical

3199
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:46,320
asthma attack she was exposed to dust

3200
02:05:51,650 --> 02:05:49,290
and and and dander and and smoke and

3201
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:51,660
this is a typical asthma attack and my

3202
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:53,040
other side of my brain would say no

3203
02:05:55,580 --> 02:05:54,210
maybe we should look at something else

3204
02:05:57,980 --> 02:05:55,590
and like it went back and forth like

3205
02:06:00,290 --> 02:05:57,990
that if I decided to order a blood test

3206
02:06:02,660 --> 02:06:00,300
called a d-dimer a d-dimer is a test

3207
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:02,670
that we do for blood clots and I thought

3208
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:05,370
maybe you know it's outside possibility

3209
02:06:09,200 --> 02:06:07,110
we just order the d-dimer and reassure

3210
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:09,210
myself so I saw her listening to her

3211
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:10,560
started somewhere medications and I

3212
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:12,000
ordered the d-dimer test about an hour

3213
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:14,850
later got a call from the nurse d-dimer

3214
02:06:19,820 --> 02:06:17,430
the testing is normally zero to 300 is

3215
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:19,830
the range and hers was 1800 and the

3216
02:06:24,380 --> 02:06:22,170
d-dimer what is that high tells you

3217
02:06:25,850 --> 02:06:24,390
there's a clot in somewhere in a body so

3218
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:25,860
I immediately ordered a lung ski at a

3219
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:27,450
cat scanner along loose to see if she

3220
02:06:30,140 --> 02:06:28,890
had blood clots and sure enough she had

3221
02:06:32,420 --> 02:06:30,150
was full of blood clots

3222
02:06:34,340 --> 02:06:32,430
it wasn't an asthma attack at all it was

3223
02:06:36,770 --> 02:06:34,350
pulmonary emboli there were life

3224
02:06:38,510 --> 02:06:36,780
threatening and I wouldn't have made the

3225
02:06:40,370 --> 02:06:38,520
diagnosis had I not thought to order the

3226
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:40,380
d-dimer I called her up and I said

3227
02:06:44,150 --> 02:06:43,290
Sharon I'm sorry to say that you know

3228
02:06:46,220 --> 02:06:44,160
you don't have asthma

3229
02:06:47,390 --> 02:06:46,230
you've got blood clots and and she said

3230
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:47,400
well I know you but I knew you'd make

3231
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:50,370
the diagnosis and I said why and she

3232
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:52,170
said when you were in the room my

3233
02:06:56,030 --> 02:06:54,330
minister was on the phone and we prayed

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02:06:57,500 --> 02:06:56,040
together that's why I closed my eyes and

3235
02:07:00,020 --> 02:06:57,510
I know you were uncomfortable but I

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02:07:01,190 --> 02:07:00,030
wanted to pray with him and he prayed

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02:07:05,450 --> 02:07:01,200
that you would come up with the right

3238
02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:05,460
diagnosis right then and and know how to

3239
02:07:11,180 --> 02:07:09,000
treat me and sure enough that's when I

3240
02:07:13,250 --> 02:07:11,190
decided to order the d-dimer and we made

3241
02:07:14,570 --> 02:07:13,260
a diagnosis as soon as we started her on

3242
02:07:16,070 --> 02:07:14,580
blood thinners when the day or two she

3243
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,080
was fine and we got her out of the

3244
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:17,760
hospital in three or four days and and

3245
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:19,920
she has had no problem since and no

3246
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:22,410
asthma so the cure for this sort of the

3247
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:24,030
controlling mechanism is a blood thinner

3248
02:07:29,690 --> 02:07:27,690
yes it is yes it is so it was a kind of

3249
02:07:31,610 --> 02:07:29,700
a frightening thing for me to think had

3250
02:07:33,170 --> 02:07:31,620
I not done that she probably would have

3251
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:33,180
died and so here we're treating a lady

3252
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:36,090
in the hospital for asthma who really

3253
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:38,250
had blood clots and so that was one of

3254
02:07:42,500 --> 02:07:40,290
the frightening things that happened

3255
02:07:44,210 --> 02:07:42,510
happened to me yeah I know it's very

3256
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:44,220
it's very frightening to me too because

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02:07:47,780 --> 02:07:45,450
I just

3258
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:47,790
these are the horror stories I prefer

3259
02:07:50,359 --> 02:07:49,170
the uplifting stories so how it all

3260
02:07:53,239 --> 02:07:50,369
worked out and that

3261
02:07:54,469 --> 02:07:53,249
- what's the stories I have friends who

3262
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:54,479
are doctors and they'll tell you the

3263
02:07:58,729 --> 02:07:57,119
same thing everybody makes mistakes the

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difference between a filmmaker making a

3265
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mistake and a doctor making mistake is

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02:08:04,219 --> 02:08:02,459
like the difference between night days

3267
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:04,229
so I'm glad you're the doctor and I'm

3268
02:08:09,649 --> 02:08:06,840
the filmmaker that idea of how you would

3269
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:09,659
live with like if you really made a big

3270
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,239
mistake and how as you say that would

3271
02:08:15,049 --> 02:08:14,159
stay with you for your I would think for

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02:08:17,029 --> 02:08:15,059
your entire life

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02:08:19,339 --> 02:08:17,039
and some doctors just can't deal with

3274
02:08:21,619 --> 02:08:19,349
that and then they leave practice when

3275
02:08:23,540 --> 02:08:21,629
they make a mistake like that those are

3276
02:08:26,060 --> 02:08:23,550
horrible horrible mistakes that are

3277
02:08:28,939 --> 02:08:26,070
sometimes made and fortunately I haven't

3278
02:08:30,379 --> 02:08:28,949
had a major disaster like that but that

3279
02:08:33,709 --> 02:08:30,389
is a frightening thing to think about

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02:08:36,649 --> 02:08:33,719
that if you let your guard down a little

3281
02:08:38,929 --> 02:08:36,659
bit and slip up that something could

3282
02:08:41,449 --> 02:08:38,939
happen that was very frightening so

3283
02:08:43,069 --> 02:08:41,459
fortunately Sharon I think had some help

3284
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:43,079
from above I called it the my three-way

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02:08:49,489 --> 02:08:46,649
conversation with heaven right like a

3286
02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:49,499
party line in the old days exact so and

3287
02:08:52,850 --> 02:08:51,689
that's why the stories are like I've

3288
02:08:54,500 --> 02:08:52,860
heard a lot of people tell a lot of

3289
02:08:55,790 --> 02:08:54,510
stories now is find them interesting

3290
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:55,800
whether I believe them or not

3291
02:09:01,639 --> 02:08:58,800
so I going back to that idea these are

3292
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:01,649
people who are literally whole life and

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02:09:06,259 --> 02:09:04,169
death in their hands in many cases it

3294
02:09:08,899 --> 02:09:06,269
like the emergency room story with

3295
02:09:11,929 --> 02:09:08,909
Cleveland right right so a doctor who's

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02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:11,939
really on the front lines and these are

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people that if they make a mistake if

3298
02:09:17,569 --> 02:09:15,689
they err people can die as the

3299
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television shows my people will die and

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what fascinates me about the book is I

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certainly tend to give more credence

3302
02:09:26,869 --> 02:09:24,689
when I see people not that I don't give

3303
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credence if they're not doctors but when

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you see people come forward and not just

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one not just two but three four five six

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seven eight nine you know twenty

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02:09:37,609 --> 02:09:35,340
twenty-five however many there are it

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sort of really hits home that this is

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something whether you believe or not

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believe that it's worth reading and

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worth listening to and worth considering

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and trying to bring it into the realm

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you know the scientific realm and see if

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it matches up with the more spiritual or

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supernatural realm the idea that there's

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more Shakespeare would say in heaven and

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earth than in all your philosophy that

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kind of stuff and that's what's

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fascinating to me is to see doctors you

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know I'm sure there are doctors that go

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to church and

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but you never think of doctors having

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these kind of conversations and it's

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nice to see it in your book yes I I

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I've never realized that this much is

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02:15:34,820 --> 02:15:33,450
you can add to the drugs to the blood

3457
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:34,830
thinners whatever you're treating

3458
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:37,890
someone with to help them along the road

3459
02:15:42,710 --> 02:15:40,410
to recovery well I think it's been

3460
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,720
proven that mental attitude goes a long

3461
02:15:47,570 --> 02:15:45,360
way to help people recover and to live

3462
02:15:49,610 --> 02:15:47,580
longer and to have a better result I

3463
02:15:51,410 --> 02:15:49,620
think when people have mysterious

3464
02:15:54,050 --> 02:15:51,420
cancers for example if they have a great

3465
02:15:56,300 --> 02:15:54,060
mental attitude they do better and some

3466
02:15:57,710 --> 02:15:56,310
of the cancer institutes now around the

3467
02:16:00,140 --> 02:15:57,720
country and cancer centers are

3468
02:16:03,980 --> 02:16:00,150
incorporating that they're incorporating

3469
02:16:05,780 --> 02:16:03,990
meditation and and music and and things

3470
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:05,790
like that that give people a positive

3471
02:16:10,730 --> 02:16:07,250
attitude so I think there's no question

3472
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,740
that a positive attitude will help and

3473
02:16:16,130 --> 02:16:12,480
the other thing that I think is

3474
02:16:18,980 --> 02:16:16,140
interesting is and I was hoping with

3475
02:16:21,590 --> 02:16:18,990
this book that that you know we all get

3476
02:16:24,380 --> 02:16:21,600
little premonitions little hints little

3477
02:16:25,580 --> 02:16:24,390
coincidences and I was I'm hoping that

3478
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:25,590
when people read this book especially

3479
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:28,290
medical personnel that they'll listen to

3480
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:30,960
some of those little premonitions and

3481
02:16:36,860 --> 02:16:34,080
and and not just dismiss them totally

3482
02:16:39,410 --> 02:16:36,870
and some of those things really do help

3483
02:16:42,589 --> 02:16:39,420
us make the right diagnosis and and

3484
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:42,599
there's something more than just there's

3485
02:16:46,910 --> 02:16:44,490
something more than just hard facts and

3486
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:46,920
I'm hoping that in reading this book

3487
02:16:51,379 --> 02:16:48,559
that many of the medical personnel

3488
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:51,389
realize that there's some things you can

3489
02:16:56,270 --> 02:16:54,330
listen to that may not be hard facts

3490
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:56,280
that that may give you a little help in

3491
02:17:00,589 --> 02:16:58,800
making a diagnosis and so that's that

3492
02:17:02,540 --> 02:17:00,599
was my one of my hopes and then this

3493
02:17:04,850 --> 02:17:02,550
book to you is this something that could

3494
02:17:05,839 --> 02:17:04,860
be brought into medical school because I

3495
02:17:07,759 --> 02:17:05,849
think some of the complaints we hear

3496
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:07,769
about doctors today is that you know

3497
02:17:13,850 --> 02:17:10,170
there's so much into the science that

3498
02:17:14,910 --> 02:17:13,860
the bedside manner is maybe not as good

3499
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:14,920
with some doctors as

3500
02:17:20,640 --> 02:17:17,920
should be I think there's a place for a

3501
02:17:22,339 --> 02:17:20,650
bedside manner for spirituality and

3502
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:22,349
medicine I don't think it's it's a

3503
02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:24,639
should take over medicine I think we

3504
02:17:30,540 --> 02:17:26,920
need to really be very careful to follow

3505
02:17:32,370 --> 02:17:30,550
guidelines and and the proper practice

3506
02:17:35,580 --> 02:17:32,380
guidelines and so forth

3507
02:17:37,709 --> 02:17:35,590
but there's something intangible that in

3508
02:17:40,410 --> 02:17:37,719
medicine and I think I think if a person

3509
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:40,420
trusts you that goes a long way to

3510
02:17:44,610 --> 02:17:42,160
helping them heal if they believe

3511
02:17:48,299 --> 02:17:44,620
they'll get better if they are hopeful I

3512
02:17:51,209 --> 02:17:48,309
think all those things are beneficial to

3513
02:17:52,830 --> 02:17:51,219
helping a person person get better so

3514
02:17:57,900 --> 02:17:52,840
here's a question for you my favorite

3515
02:18:02,160 --> 02:17:57,910
story Scott because I love pie and your

3516
02:18:04,740 --> 02:18:02,170
mom apparently best a great rhubarb pie

3517
02:18:05,730 --> 02:18:04,750
you know I I caught this as I was going

3518
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:05,740
through the internet because you've been

3519
02:18:10,020 --> 02:18:07,599
on a ton of radio shows and podcasts and

3520
02:18:12,060 --> 02:18:10,030
stuff and I found this one story on a

3521
02:18:14,459 --> 02:18:12,070
one call I think the nerdy nurse which

3522
02:18:16,169 --> 02:18:14,469
is kind of a funny title a cool title

3523
02:18:19,020 --> 02:18:16,179
for podcast could and it's so it's a

3524
02:18:20,969 --> 02:18:19,030
message from a pie which I just love

3525
02:18:23,790 --> 02:18:20,979
this is this is one of those uplifting

3526
02:18:25,259 --> 02:18:23,800
stories it's corny I'm a corny guy and I

3527
02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:25,269
just wanted to give you a chance to tell

3528
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:26,410
this story because I've also written

3529
02:18:30,330 --> 02:18:28,240
about synchronicities and coincidences

3530
02:18:31,410 --> 02:18:30,340
and what they might mean and I found

3531
02:18:34,020 --> 02:18:31,420
this one

3532
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:34,030
people think I'm a commotion tell the

3533
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:35,439
message from a pie story I love this

3534
02:18:39,870 --> 02:18:37,450
okay this is one of the stories that

3535
02:18:42,060 --> 02:18:39,880
actually one of the first stories that

3536
02:18:43,620 --> 02:18:42,070
got me thinking about these kinds of

3537
02:18:44,669 --> 02:18:43,630
things and one of the first stories that

3538
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:44,679
got me interested in writing this book

3539
02:18:48,839 --> 02:18:47,050
and that was I love to go on vacations

3540
02:18:50,910 --> 02:18:48,849
and when I was a kid I was the only

3541
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:50,920
child and my parents used to take me on

3542
02:18:55,520 --> 02:18:53,050
vacations with them and we would go to

3543
02:18:59,100 --> 02:18:55,530
places like Yellowstone and and I never

3544
02:19:00,810 --> 02:18:59,110
remember saying are we there yet and I

3545
02:19:03,330 --> 02:19:00,820
just remember that the good time so I

3546
02:19:05,129 --> 02:19:03,340
love to take my family on vacation and

3547
02:19:07,500 --> 02:19:05,139
one of the one of the favorite places

3548
02:19:09,719 --> 02:19:07,510
like to go to his Cape Cod and this is a

3549
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:09,729
vacation in Cape Cod and there are some

3550
02:19:13,650 --> 02:19:11,250
days in your life that are just

3551
02:19:15,299 --> 02:19:13,660
memorable that you will always remember

3552
02:19:17,250 --> 02:19:15,309
and this was one of those days the

3553
02:19:19,500 --> 02:19:17,260
weather was perfect the family was

3554
02:19:21,360 --> 02:19:19,510
having a great time I was toward the end

3555
02:19:22,500 --> 02:19:21,370
of the day and the boys were cooking the

3556
02:19:23,820 --> 02:19:22,510
dinner which we frequently do on

3557
02:19:25,860 --> 02:19:23,830
vacation we were having some wonderful

3558
02:19:27,700 --> 02:19:25,870
things like swordfish and the grill and

3559
02:19:29,379 --> 02:19:27,710
corn on the cob and so forth

3560
02:19:31,330 --> 02:19:29,389
and all the girls were having fun the

3561
02:19:33,639 --> 02:19:31,340
kids were chasing bugs in the yard and

3562
02:19:35,969 --> 02:19:33,649
and I just wanted to pinch myself so

3563
02:19:39,129 --> 02:19:35,979
remember this this special occasion and

3564
02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:39,139
the boys went to get the dinner fixings

3565
02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:41,449
earlier that day and when we went to the

3566
02:19:44,740 --> 02:19:42,889
store they had a whole stack of pies

3567
02:19:47,469 --> 02:19:44,750
there so we decided to get 5 pies for

3568
02:19:49,150 --> 02:19:47,479
the crowd and there was cherry pies and

3569
02:19:51,519 --> 02:19:49,160
so we got to talking about our favorite

3570
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:51,529
pies and and our favorite pie really for

3571
02:19:55,059 --> 02:19:53,510
all of us was grandma cold Ava's and

3572
02:19:57,580 --> 02:19:55,069
she'd passed away a number years before

3573
02:19:59,200 --> 02:19:57,590
that rhubarb pie and we had a big

3574
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:59,210
rhubarb plant in our backyard and the

3575
02:20:02,290 --> 02:20:00,800
end of season she'd picked the stalks

3576
02:20:04,599 --> 02:20:02,300
rhubarb and make this really really

3577
02:20:06,610 --> 02:20:04,609
sweet rhubarb pie and we visited her we

3578
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:06,620
all sneak into the kitchen and we get

3579
02:20:11,320 --> 02:20:08,290
our spoons and we go dig right into the

3580
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:11,330
pie and we'd all polish it off as much

3581
02:20:16,179 --> 02:20:13,850
as we could and we thought grandma was

3582
02:20:17,469 --> 02:20:16,189
here she'd make a rhubarb pie for us and

3583
02:20:19,809 --> 02:20:17,479
it's too bad she couldn't be part of

3584
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:19,819
this this is a I love family and this is

3585
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,920
a special special family day that I

3586
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:24,080
would never forget we saw we finished

3587
02:20:28,030 --> 02:20:25,850
the dinner and my wife served the pie

3588
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:28,040
and I dug in and as soon as I put it in

3589
02:20:32,110 --> 02:20:29,600
my mouth I got goose bumps up and down

3590
02:20:34,450 --> 02:20:32,120
my back and I looked at the pie I looked

3591
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:34,460
at the box it said cherry pie but the

3592
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:37,010
pie wasn't cherry it was a rhubarb pie

3593
02:20:41,860 --> 02:20:40,010
now you can explain that by saying in

3594
02:20:43,420 --> 02:20:41,870
the factory or somewhere they made a

3595
02:20:45,939 --> 02:20:43,430
mistake and they were making rhubarb

3596
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:45,949
pies and cherry pies but to me

3597
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:48,560
that was my mother telling us that she

3598
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:50,569
was there enjoying the family special

3599
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:53,600
family occasion with all of us at that

3600
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:57,050
time yeah and I'm sure was just the pie

3601
02:21:01,269 --> 02:20:59,359
factory folks or what a pie factory like

3602
02:21:03,729 --> 02:21:01,279
there's a factory churning up lies the

3603
02:21:05,530 --> 02:21:03,739
people who made the pies Baker's exactly

3604
02:21:10,570 --> 02:21:05,540
that's the word Baker's that's why you

3605
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:10,580
have the MD and I'm stuck with the JD as

3606
02:21:15,370 --> 02:21:12,410
they used to remind us as med school law

3607
02:21:17,889 --> 02:21:15,380
school parties some great questions

3608
02:21:20,290 --> 02:21:17,899
yeah but the with the idea that so what

3609
02:21:22,809 --> 02:21:20,300
like that it got there how did it get to

3610
02:21:24,099 --> 02:21:22,819
you and of all the pies that you could

3611
02:21:25,870 --> 02:21:24,109
have picked up that that's the one and

3612
02:21:27,969 --> 02:21:25,880
to me when you come to stories of

3613
02:21:29,229 --> 02:21:27,979
synchronicities or coincidences it's not

3614
02:21:31,479 --> 02:21:29,239
just the synchronicity or the

3615
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:31,489
coincidence it has to be very personal

3616
02:21:35,769 --> 02:21:33,770
it's you know there's a multiple like

3617
02:21:37,179 --> 02:21:35,779
it's like witness testimony it's not

3618
02:21:39,580 --> 02:21:37,189
just one witness that decides a case

3619
02:21:40,809 --> 02:21:39,590
it's multiple witnesses and so you have

3620
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:40,819
to look at different points of

3621
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:41,450
inflection

3622
02:21:46,030 --> 02:21:43,760
everything and that story you just told

3623
02:21:48,011 --> 02:21:46,040
has it it's not just the pie it's also

3624
02:21:50,860 --> 02:21:48,021
your own personal experience and your

3625
02:21:52,540 --> 02:21:50,870
own memories and how it interacted with

3626
02:21:54,460 --> 02:21:52,550
that particular point in time for you

3627
02:21:56,730 --> 02:21:54,470
which is why I like the story not only

3628
02:21:59,051 --> 02:21:56,740
because I'm a sentimentalist at heart

3629
02:22:00,940 --> 02:21:59,061
don't tell anyone but also because it's

3630
02:22:02,620 --> 02:22:00,950
a good synchronicity or coincidence

3631
02:22:05,591 --> 02:22:02,630
story because it has those those

3632
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,601
multiple points of intersection so yeah

3633
02:22:09,310 --> 02:22:08,000
great story I love that story and for me

3634
02:22:13,091 --> 02:22:09,320
it probably would've been apple pie I

3635
02:22:15,370 --> 02:22:13,101
love apple pie okay I like pumpkin pie

3636
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:15,380
actually I don't know where that makes

3637
02:22:18,700 --> 02:22:16,880
me I'm not a big pie eater

3638
02:22:21,580 --> 02:22:18,710
it's the perfect son perfect time of the

3639
02:22:24,100 --> 02:22:21,590
season for you then yeah yes I'm feeling

3640
02:22:26,381 --> 02:22:24,110
in a Halloween mood I guess that muscle

3641
02:22:28,570 --> 02:22:26,391
yeah so I like because Jean tells me we

3642
02:22:31,210 --> 02:22:28,580
have one more segment so one good thing

3643
02:22:34,060 --> 02:22:31,220
lawyers are good at is droning on and

3644
02:22:35,350 --> 02:22:34,070
asking questions so I did notice that

3645
02:22:38,530 --> 02:22:35,360
you've been on all these other radio

3646
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:38,540
shows all these other podcasts and I I

3647
02:22:41,860 --> 02:22:41,210
preface this by saying do not name the

3648
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:41,870
radio show

3649
02:22:47,230 --> 02:22:44,450
I'm just curious what's the strangest

3650
02:22:49,150 --> 02:22:47,240
question in this experience like this

3651
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:49,160
whole journey for you from the time when

3652
02:22:52,330 --> 02:22:51,410
you published the book through this so

3653
02:22:54,430 --> 02:22:52,340
you've dealt with a whole bunch of

3654
02:22:56,830 --> 02:22:54,440
different people yeah what's what's sort

3655
02:22:58,360 --> 02:22:56,840
of most out there question that kind of

3656
02:22:58,900 --> 02:22:58,370
made you go oh I didn't see that one

3657
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:58,910
coming

3658
02:23:03,700 --> 02:23:01,280
how do I answer how do I answer that one

3659
02:23:05,710 --> 02:23:03,710
well let me preface that by saying you

3660
02:23:07,631 --> 02:23:05,720
guys have ants I have asked some really

3661
02:23:11,801 --> 02:23:07,641
really good questions and really

3662
02:23:13,930 --> 02:23:11,811
thinking questions that I have not had

3663
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:13,940
an interview quite like this for a long

3664
02:23:17,770 --> 02:23:15,410
time this is these are great great

3665
02:23:20,770 --> 02:23:17,780
questions the most unusual questions I

3666
02:23:25,301 --> 02:23:20,780
got was from a listener and the listener

3667
02:23:31,180 --> 02:23:25,311
asked me if in doing this research if

3668
02:23:34,690 --> 02:23:31,190
the if they found alien DNA in humans

3669
02:23:36,341 --> 02:23:34,700
that have had unusual experiences and so

3670
02:23:38,350 --> 02:23:36,351
I didn't know how to answer that because

3671
02:23:39,671 --> 02:23:38,360
I'm not sure what alien DNA looks like

3672
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:39,681
and so that was one of the most unusual

3673
02:23:43,210 --> 02:23:41,840
questions I've had and I wasn't sure

3674
02:23:47,261 --> 02:23:43,220
quite how they answered that but I just

3675
02:23:49,570 --> 02:23:47,271
had to say no I've not seen anyone with

3676
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:49,580
alien DNA that's been documented that I

3677
02:23:55,180 --> 02:23:52,160
can I can recall if you follow the UFO

3678
02:23:56,921 --> 02:23:55,190
field there's some unusual things

3679
02:23:58,930 --> 02:23:56,931
going on out there and we've had a

3680
02:24:01,121 --> 02:23:58,940
couple of shows and we've had a lot of

3681
02:24:05,261 --> 02:24:01,131
messages and we've had a lot of debates

3682
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:05,271
that stem from people claiming that

3683
02:24:12,881 --> 02:24:08,570
there was a race of hybrids alien-human

3684
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:12,891
out there we're gonna take us over I'll

3685
02:24:17,350 --> 02:24:14,210
just leave it at that we have one more

3686
02:24:26,881 --> 02:24:17,360
segment with Scott gene and Paul you're

3687
02:24:26,891 --> 02:24:31,991
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got obviously we're doing something here

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that's emotional we're dealing with

3785
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something that comes in at an emotional

3786
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:10,590
level you have this anecdotal

3787
02:29:15,860 --> 02:29:13,680
information from a lot of doctors about

3788
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things that just don't make sense

3789
02:29:21,410 --> 02:29:18,660
for a logical point of view right but is

3790
02:29:24,860 --> 02:29:21,420
there any way you think that we can take

3791
02:29:27,080 --> 02:29:24,870
this anecdotal evidence and put in a pot

3792
02:29:28,910 --> 02:29:27,090
and let scientists look at it and see if

3793
02:29:31,190 --> 02:29:28,920
there's something they could do to

3794
02:29:33,050 --> 02:29:31,200
understand it better because I know a

3795
02:29:34,610 --> 02:29:33,060
lot of us hate to have things out there

3796
02:29:36,320 --> 02:29:34,620
on the table that we can't understand

3797
02:29:39,260 --> 02:29:36,330
maybe we were not meant to understand it

3798
02:29:40,760 --> 02:29:39,270
but it sure would be nice to search for

3799
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:40,770
it and not just tell stories what you

3800
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:43,050
think a lot of these stories just defy

3801
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:46,130
science how a person can have a

3802
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:48,960
near-death experience and be able to

3803
02:29:54,110 --> 02:29:50,880
rise to the to the top of a room and

3804
02:29:56,630 --> 02:29:54,120
look at themselves I suppose you could

3805
02:29:59,480 --> 02:29:56,640
explain that by saying there's a spirit

3806
02:30:01,730 --> 02:29:59,490
or something but I'm not sure science

3807
02:30:03,500 --> 02:30:01,740
can explain a lot of these experiences

3808
02:30:05,150 --> 02:30:03,510
that the doctors have had and then and

3809
02:30:07,010 --> 02:30:05,160
that's was one of my questions you know

3810
02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:07,020
do you have any experiences that you

3811
02:30:11,719 --> 02:30:09,090
can't explain with science at all I'm

3812
02:30:13,820 --> 02:30:11,729
not sure that you can ultimately explain

3813
02:30:16,490 --> 02:30:13,830
these experiences and most of the

3814
02:30:18,650 --> 02:30:16,500
doctors when I really quiz them and talk

3815
02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:18,660
with them would say this is something

3816
02:30:23,150 --> 02:30:20,490
divine this is there something that's

3817
02:30:25,340 --> 02:30:23,160
higher than us that has caused this

3818
02:30:28,190 --> 02:30:25,350
experience and that's the only way I can

3819
02:30:30,380 --> 02:30:28,200
explain it I've put something in the

3820
02:30:33,320 --> 02:30:30,390
message field at Skype and it's a link

3821
02:30:36,260 --> 02:30:33,330
to an issue of our newsletter in the

3822
02:30:38,420 --> 02:30:36,270
power cast forums where there is great

3823
02:30:40,850 --> 02:30:38,430
amount of detail comparing near-death

3824
02:30:42,500 --> 02:30:40,860
experiences with UFO abductions which I

3825
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:42,510
mentioned earlier on the show yes and

3826
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:44,240
I'd like you to look at it and maybe

3827
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:46,410
sometime in the future just drop me an

3828
02:30:49,940 --> 02:30:48,330
email and let me know what you think

3829
02:30:50,139 --> 02:30:49,950
about or maybe while you're examining me

3830
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:50,149
when

3831
02:30:56,620 --> 02:30:54,800
come down here to Mesa me over Scott

3832
02:30:58,719 --> 02:30:56,630
here's a proposition for you

3833
02:31:02,109 --> 02:30:58,729
amazing thing is we were just talking I

3834
02:31:03,189 --> 02:31:02,119
just invented a time machine now I could

3835
02:31:04,929 --> 02:31:03,199
do a whole bunch of things with that

3836
02:31:07,149 --> 02:31:04,939
time machine but what I've decided to do

3837
02:31:08,679 --> 02:31:07,159
is I'm gonna send you back in time cuz

3838
02:31:11,559 --> 02:31:08,689
you're a doctor and if I send you back

3839
02:31:13,239 --> 02:31:11,569
2000 years or even a thousand years and

3840
02:31:15,880 --> 02:31:13,249
you show up with your medical knowledge

3841
02:31:17,739 --> 02:31:15,890
and skills let's say if you even

3842
02:31:20,199 --> 02:31:17,749
rudimentary instruments that we have

3843
02:31:22,719 --> 02:31:20,209
today that they went ahead then they

3844
02:31:23,649 --> 02:31:22,729
would view you as a magician or a God or

3845
02:31:26,229 --> 02:31:23,659
something

3846
02:31:29,229 --> 02:31:26,239
whoa way beyond well this is craziness

3847
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:29,239
so is it possible that what we're

3848
02:31:32,290 --> 02:31:31,130
dealing with and I'm not about to say

3849
02:31:36,429 --> 02:31:32,300
that what you're dealing with is time

3850
02:31:39,729 --> 02:31:36,439
travelers is it possible that someday we

3851
02:31:41,739 --> 02:31:39,739
will understand all of this in this to

3852
02:31:44,739 --> 02:31:41,749
us it appears to be magic or

3853
02:31:47,260 --> 02:31:44,749
supernatural but if there is a God if

3854
02:31:49,179 --> 02:31:47,270
there is this other being out there then

3855
02:31:50,889 --> 02:31:49,189
this is all a journey of exploration and

3856
02:31:53,260 --> 02:31:50,899
by which I mean all of human history and

3857
02:31:54,909 --> 02:31:53,270
so we're not at the end of that journey

3858
02:31:57,099 --> 02:31:54,919
yet we there are many things we don't

3859
02:31:59,229 --> 02:31:57,109
understand but there could be someday a

3860
02:32:00,580 --> 02:31:59,239
time when two thousand years from now or

3861
02:32:02,260 --> 02:32:00,590
thousand years from now somebody listens

3862
02:32:03,609 --> 02:32:02,270
to this show and goes I don't know what

3863
02:32:05,559 --> 02:32:03,619
those guys were talking about this is

3864
02:32:07,599 --> 02:32:05,569
easy I can do all these things that they

3865
02:32:08,979 --> 02:32:07,609
were talking about why so confused and

3866
02:32:11,139 --> 02:32:08,989
that's one of the things scientists have

3867
02:32:12,729 --> 02:32:11,149
to wrestle with too I think is this idea

3868
02:32:15,250 --> 02:32:12,739
that we're not gods we don't have all

3869
02:32:16,689 --> 02:32:15,260
the answers but perhaps we could find

3870
02:32:18,370 --> 02:32:16,699
them someday does your research that

3871
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:18,380
you've done this factor into that and

3872
02:32:21,939 --> 02:32:20,329
give you this idea that maybe there's a

3873
02:32:22,809 --> 02:32:21,949
lot more out there we don't know we

3874
02:32:24,670 --> 02:32:22,819
should keep looking

3875
02:32:26,559 --> 02:32:24,680
whatever method it is we choose to look

3876
02:32:28,330 --> 02:32:26,569
for it oh sure and I think what you're

3877
02:32:29,649 --> 02:32:28,340
saying is a thousand years from now or

3878
02:32:31,449 --> 02:32:29,659
two thousand years from now maybe we'll

3879
02:32:35,399 --> 02:32:31,459
have some explanations for some of these

3880
02:32:39,010 --> 02:32:35,409
things my inclination though is that

3881
02:32:41,139 --> 02:32:39,020
these experiences help me the only way I

3882
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:41,149
can explain these experiences is that

3883
02:32:46,420 --> 02:32:42,890
there's something else higher than us

3884
02:32:48,849 --> 02:32:46,430
that controls the strings and someone

3885
02:32:50,710 --> 02:32:48,859
that loves us unconditionally there's a

3886
02:32:53,139 --> 02:32:50,720
place where we go after we after we

3887
02:32:55,630 --> 02:32:53,149
leave this earth and that we still can

3888
02:32:57,639 --> 02:32:55,640
communicate in some way and in some

3889
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,649
circumstances with those that are still

3890
02:33:02,170 --> 02:32:59,600
on earth and I'm not sure we'll ever

3891
02:33:02,879 --> 02:33:02,180
have a scientific explanation for some

3892
02:33:05,219 --> 02:33:02,889
of the things

3893
02:33:07,619 --> 02:33:05,229
I've experienced or that the doctors

3894
02:33:09,809 --> 02:33:07,629
have experienced even thousand or 2,000

3895
02:33:13,949 --> 02:33:09,819
years from now but can you imagine this

3896
02:33:16,649 --> 02:33:13,959
scene in Star Trek the voyage home where

3897
02:33:19,859 --> 02:33:16,659
dr. McCoy handles a woman who was

3898
02:33:22,589 --> 02:33:19,869
undergoing kidney dialysis a pill and

3899
02:33:24,689 --> 02:33:22,599
she's cured well absolutely I mean there

3900
02:33:26,999 --> 02:33:24,699
are there are things that that even in

3901
02:33:28,760 --> 02:33:27,009
my lifetime that I didn't think would

3902
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:28,770
ever be cured hepatitis C for example

3903
02:33:33,179 --> 02:33:31,449
that's been the most common cause of

3904
02:33:34,919 --> 02:33:33,189
liver transplantation in this country

3905
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:34,929
and a cause of death of lots and lots of

3906
02:33:38,879 --> 02:33:37,359
people in my lifetime and within the

3907
02:33:41,279 --> 02:33:38,889
last two years there's a there's a

3908
02:33:44,279 --> 02:33:41,289
combination drug now totally cures that

3909
02:33:47,489 --> 02:33:44,289
and has eliminated that as a as a

3910
02:33:49,829 --> 02:33:47,499
serious disease totally I think the

3911
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:49,839
medical community is coming up with with

3912
02:33:54,059 --> 02:33:52,329
miraculous things so that I wouldn't be

3913
02:33:55,919 --> 02:33:54,069
surprised you take a stem cell for

3914
02:33:58,469 --> 02:33:55,929
example persons in dialysis there have

3915
02:34:00,809 --> 02:33:58,479
renal failure you inject a stem cell or

3916
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:00,819
some some stem cells and and they're

3917
02:34:04,979 --> 02:34:03,369
totally cured and they're dialysis needs

3918
02:34:06,809 --> 02:34:04,989
to disappear and there and they're cured

3919
02:34:09,209 --> 02:34:06,819
George Washington is my understanding

3920
02:34:10,529 --> 02:34:09,219
died of a strep throat how easy is it

3921
02:34:12,629 --> 02:34:10,539
the treated strep throat today with

3922
02:34:15,179 --> 02:34:12,639
penicillin and that's not even a major

3923
02:34:16,319 --> 02:34:15,189
illness anymore strep throat oh yes and

3924
02:34:18,839 --> 02:34:16,329
here's some penicillin you'll be fine

3925
02:34:21,839 --> 02:34:18,849
200 years ago it was a fatal illness in

3926
02:34:23,819 --> 02:34:21,849
many cases so I think we'll have some

3927
02:34:26,219 --> 02:34:23,829
amazing cures and amazing things that

3928
02:34:28,019 --> 02:34:26,229
we'll be able to use in the future I can

3929
02:34:30,089 --> 02:34:28,029
go even one further you know the the

3930
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:30,099
Russian composers grew up and died of a

3931
02:34:37,109 --> 02:34:34,479
pimple so and that was I think sometime

3932
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:37,119
in the 1920s that's what I have oxy five

3933
02:34:41,010 --> 02:34:39,520
four or whatever could have killed you

3934
02:34:43,139 --> 02:34:41,020
100 years ago so yeah we're always

3935
02:34:45,089 --> 02:34:43,149
advancing but I do think having now

3936
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:45,099
asked the question and gotten the answer

3937
02:34:49,199 --> 02:34:46,810
that I tend to agree with you that there

3938
02:34:50,849 --> 02:34:49,209
are probably always going to be some

3939
02:34:54,689 --> 02:34:50,859
things that are just out of reach and

3940
02:34:57,209 --> 02:34:54,699
whether by design or not that will leave

3941
02:34:59,279 --> 02:34:57,219
a sense of mystery in our lives and I

3942
02:35:01,289 --> 02:34:59,289
think that's if there is some thing or

3943
02:35:03,119 --> 02:35:01,299
someone out there I think that's part of

3944
02:35:05,039 --> 02:35:03,129
the journey that we're on I don't think

3945
02:35:06,419 --> 02:35:05,049
we're meant to know everything because

3946
02:35:08,069 --> 02:35:06,429
that makes it more interesting for us

3947
02:35:10,409 --> 02:35:08,079
and it still leaves us an element of

3948
02:35:12,179 --> 02:35:10,419
freewill so almost like a parent my dad

3949
02:35:14,609 --> 02:35:12,189
let me borrow the car and then I crashed

3950
02:35:15,841 --> 02:35:14,619
it into a tree he didn't stop me from

3951
02:35:17,011 --> 02:35:15,851
boring the car in whew

3952
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:17,021
we just have learned from your mistakes

3953
02:35:21,661 --> 02:35:19,690
kind of thing you know he didn't control

3954
02:35:23,911 --> 02:35:21,671
me he left me eventually leave the nest

3955
02:35:25,921 --> 02:35:23,921
and and live my life and if there is a

3956
02:35:28,650 --> 02:35:25,931
god I tend to go with the Arminian

3957
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,660
freewill theory that God allows us to

3958
02:35:31,860 --> 02:35:30,160
lead our lives but occasionally might

3959
02:35:33,301 --> 02:35:31,870
intervene which is sort of what your

3960
02:35:35,761 --> 02:35:33,311
book is about those occasional it's

3961
02:35:38,881 --> 02:35:35,771
exactly look is about it's a it's a book

3962
02:35:40,711 --> 02:35:38,891
about free will but some intervention in

3963
02:35:43,230 --> 02:35:40,721
our lives on a regular basis in many

3964
02:35:45,301 --> 02:35:43,240
cases by something as heartless

3965
02:35:47,961 --> 02:35:45,311
wouldn't it be nice though if we could

3966
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:47,971
bring that upon ourselves with the right

3967
02:35:53,251 --> 02:35:50,530
incantation with the right attitude

3968
02:35:54,871 --> 02:35:53,261
whatever that might be something of

3969
02:35:56,911 --> 02:35:54,881
discovery say well okay we have all

3970
02:35:59,220 --> 02:35:56,921
these things happening is there a way to

3971
02:36:01,261 --> 02:35:59,230
increase the odds we'd all like to see

3972
02:36:03,211 --> 02:36:01,271
those odds increased I think it's called

3973
02:36:05,071 --> 02:36:03,221
prayer yeah that would be the point I

3974
02:36:06,961 --> 02:36:05,081
think like I said when I crashed my

3975
02:36:08,970 --> 02:36:06,971
dad's car he did show up to pick me up

3976
02:36:10,140 --> 02:36:08,980
but if I hadn't called him I would have

3977
02:36:12,180 --> 02:36:10,150
been sitting out there in the cold

3978
02:36:14,371 --> 02:36:12,190
January night for you know until the

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02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:14,381
next morning so at some point I think

3980
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you have to make the call even in the

3981
02:36:19,730 --> 02:36:17,921
ghost investigating world we find the

3982
02:36:23,310 --> 02:36:19,740
same sort of thing if we are to have

3983
02:36:25,381 --> 02:36:23,320
experiences usually it's because we open

3984
02:36:26,970 --> 02:36:25,391
ourselves up to them and I kind of liken

3985
02:36:28,140 --> 02:36:26,980
it to going into a movie theater if you

3986
02:36:30,571 --> 02:36:28,150
want to see a movie you have to buy a

3987
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:30,581
ticket first and the idea of prayer is

3988
02:36:35,701 --> 02:36:32,410
sort of the same way I would think if

3989
02:36:38,161 --> 02:36:35,711
you want to have that interaction you

3990
02:36:40,020 --> 02:36:38,171
open yourself up to it is the way that I

3991
02:36:42,451 --> 02:36:40,030
would put it I would agree and sometimes

3992
02:36:44,581 --> 02:36:42,461
were amazed what happens yeah for sure

3993
02:36:46,291 --> 02:36:44,591
and your book brings that out I mean

3994
02:36:48,031 --> 02:36:46,301
there really are some heartwarming

3995
02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:48,041
stories in there some really eye-opening

3996
02:36:52,980 --> 02:36:50,650
stories and told by people that are

3997
02:36:54,871 --> 02:36:52,990
credible when I sort of took a look at I

3998
02:36:56,341 --> 02:36:54,881
thought okay this this could you know

3999
02:36:58,261 --> 02:36:56,351
maybe there'll be some fun in here and I

4000
02:37:00,091 --> 02:36:58,271
found it's a it's a really quick read to

4001
02:37:01,951 --> 02:37:00,101
it's it's an easy read because it's

4002
02:37:03,991 --> 02:37:01,961
storytelling and they are really

4003
02:37:05,940 --> 02:37:04,001
uplifting stories and as you say in a

4004
02:37:08,761 --> 02:37:05,950
world that is seemingly if you turn on

4005
02:37:10,501 --> 02:37:08,771
the news is so dire it's so nice to read

4006
02:37:12,331 --> 02:37:10,511
a book where you see doctors talking

4007
02:37:14,161 --> 02:37:12,341
about these stories and providing some

4008
02:37:15,781 --> 02:37:14,171
sense of hope which I still think is

4009
02:37:18,001 --> 02:37:15,791
worth something in this world and it was

4010
02:37:20,791 --> 02:37:18,011
for me too I learned probably more than

4011
02:37:22,350 --> 02:37:20,801
any reader in doing these stories it's

4012
02:37:24,060 --> 02:37:22,360
been very uplifting for me and very

4013
02:37:26,161 --> 02:37:24,070
hopeful Scott can you tell our listeners

4014
02:37:28,610 --> 02:37:26,171
they want more information about you and

4015
02:37:30,770 --> 02:37:28,620
your book is there a site they can

4016
02:37:32,390 --> 02:37:30,780
physicians untold stories' calm is our

4017
02:37:34,760 --> 02:37:32,400
website and the book is available

4018
02:37:37,100 --> 02:37:34,770
through Amazon and it's available in a

4019
02:37:39,710 --> 02:37:37,110
Kindle and also softcover copy through

4020
02:37:42,530 --> 02:37:39,720
Amazon Paul where can they find your

4021
02:37:44,420 --> 02:37:42,540
stuff who knows but you know you can

4022
02:37:46,250 --> 02:37:44,430
also get Scott's book on indigo if

4023
02:37:48,890 --> 02:37:46,260
you're up here in Canada I did notice

4024
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:48,900
that as well so WWE winter light

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productions calm that's where you can

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